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Curious where all those outspoken supposed 'anti-anti-semites' are at when we’re robbed of our rightful passageway maddened

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[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In the backlash to the antisemitic stuff that came out of this from twitter I saw people talk about knowing antizionist hasidic Jews or having their gender identity accepted in the community.

But am I going crazy or wasn't it literally like last year that the NYT published a story about how the New York hasidic community in particular has gender segregated schools that produce single digit percentages of basic English and math literacy, and employs corporal punishment?

Edit: Late 2022 it was published, turns out.

This shit is also why the fucking antisemitic abuse tunnels conspiracy stuff is so destructive, because in any other scenario it would be a completely normal conclusion to think that a deliberately closed off community that deprives children of the skills and knowledge to operate outside it, is inherently at a huge risk of any kind of abuse going unreported and victims being left with no way out.

But thats within the community, and not this fucking blood libel shit that reactionary freaks like jackson hinkle are peddling about pedo tunnels.

[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

pedo tunnels

really telling on themselves if this is the first thing that comes to their d*generate minds

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Normalize 👏 making 👏 tunnels 👏 under 👏 your 👏 enemies

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am always on the side of the guys with the big tunnel network.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Underground railroad, Mexican migrants, Hector Zeroni & Stanley Yelnats, Hamas

Many such cases

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a kid I once thought the Underground Railroad was a literal Civil War era subway system. Like, for only a few minutes, but how cool would that be?

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

There is a whole fucking novel built around this concept.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Viet Cong, too.

[–] asa_red_heathen@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Careful, this also includes Elon Musk

[–] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

it's guys, plural, you can hate one of them

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When I first heard about the tunnels I got no context with it and thought maybe they were building an underground access to another building (and as a guy who works in the Middle East, nothing beats underground access to other buildings during Summer, let me tell ya), but then I went on twitter and I'm reading some of the weirdest blood libel stuff.

I'm not gonna shed any tears for this particular group though, as there's an anti-zionist twitter group that explained this group's ties to Israel; apparently they're both anti-zionist but pro-Israel, in that they detest that Israel is secular but still support them because they want a Jewish state (religiously Jewish that is; they don't merely want a state of Jewish people). They've held meetings with multiple Israeli prime ministers including Benjamin Netanyahu (https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1744728504829428196).

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

From my understanding, at the core it seems to be as simple as the tunnels were built to facilitate the illegal expansion of the synagogues space, with a whole bunch of strange internal hasidic sectarianism involved on top of that to make it sound more complex and much more bizarre than it probably actually is, those involved being hasidic of course makes it inherently wacky for much of the online world.

[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The AP articles says some folks believe a legendary leader who served for like 4 decades and died 3 is still alive and wanted the expansion??

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

yea there's a large community of chabadniks in crown heights. that's what all the stickers declaring MOSHIACH IS COMING are about. They specifically think that Menachem Mendel Schneerson was and is the messiah, and will reveal himself soon to usher in a new era of peace, wisdom, and piety.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

no , asfar as I understand , they digged towards the woman quaters because teenagers are teenagers , then the vocel police arrived

volcel-kamala

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From the article I read the quarters haven’t been used for years now because of the pandemic.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

yeah, i think this ties in and a lot of people initially misinterpreted it, because on the day it was revealed a lot of posts were about how they used the tunnels to evade covid rules and enter the synagogue secretly to congregate

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Telegram is going off on a bunch of lurid CSA details that I’m pretty sure are 95% false

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So they are even more fashy religious zealots similar to deep south evangelists ?

[–] heyoheyoheyyyy@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

no, they're much more isolationist than evangelicals. their religious conservatism is largely directed at their own families. similar problems with racism but a very different phenomenon otherwise.

[–] thisismyrealname@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

more like the Amish or Mennonites but not rural; they isolate themselves far more than most religious conservatives

If a week ago you posted that members hasidic community were literally undermining new york infrastructure in order to build a sewer yeshiva close to their proclaimed messiah, you would have been the twitter main character of the day for your nonsensical antisemitism.

[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago
I call and the worms answer
[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tunnels are so hot rn, but it's too late to really get in on the trend.

What you really should do is get in on the next big thing before it blows up: Sinking building foundations.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Sounds like they were on their way to that, intentionally or not.

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I still dont understand what these tunnels were supposed to be for but the memes are gold.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

To my best understanding it seems to have mainly been an illegal expansion to a synagogue that had tunnels as just like a practical thing for the illegal construction, I'm not sure if they applied and got rejected before beginning the dig or if they just sort of decided to expand without caring about planning or regulations entirely but that seems to be the basic situation that I have gathered, I think the new space was meant to be a classroom or something.

Edit: Reading more it sounds like it was just an illegal expansion in general for more space for the synagogue, and also that theres an internal conflict involved between the main hasidic movement/group and a smaller sect within that, the smaller sect being the one to begin the illegal expansion. The smaller sect apparently believes that the former rabbi of the synagogue, who passed away in 1994, actually was the Jewish messiah, is not in fact dead(might be a wacky minority belief in the sect), and the expansion of the synagogue is a part of his wishes for the movement?

Unclear if the main movement also wished to expand the synagogue but legally, or if the smaller sect just decided to do it completely on their own.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I used to date a Jewish woman from NYC and she told me there's all kinds of weird ass Jewish sects in the city. Like you'll have some synagogue founded by immigrants from one Jewish village in Hungary who believe some rabbi who died in 1922 was the messiah and they'll randomly get in fist fights with guys from some synagogue from Moldova.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a good basis for an RPG.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Oh god 4chan would have a field day with that.

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How the fuck does it make any sense to think "the messiah" was some guy who just like fucking died 100 years ago

and then the holocaust happened!

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

This is like crap I half remember her telling me about, idk if there's literally a Hungarian Jewish sect that believes the messiah was some guy in the 20s, I do remember her telling me about some weird Moldavian Jewish sect that owned like a whole neighborhood in Queens and did get in fights with other Jews constantly. But FYI there's been a lot of Jewish messianic climates, and a few besides Jesus still how followers today, or at least had followers until not that long ago. There's some Turkish dude in the 1600s who I think some tiny Jewish sect thinks was the messiah.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

The Christians or Jesus's followers didn't exactly have an easy time in the aftermath of Jesus's death. Nowhere near as bad as the Holocaust though.

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[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

theres an internal conflict involved between the main hasidic movement/group and a smaller sect within that, the smaller sect being the one to begin the illegal expansion

Bloodborne is a documentary

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

If I understand it correctly, the breakaway messianic sect claims the building that they were tunneling towards (which is owned by the other sect), and they made the tunnel to either break in or at least get closer to what they consider a holy site.

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[–] heyoheyoheyyyy@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago

if the Hasidim want to leave behind the coercive patriarchy and abusive school system and focus on the tunnels i think that is a net win for everybody

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What strikes me is the way some people talk about Hasidism with the attitude of "those are the backwards jews". Obviously it's awful online, but that leaks through in NYC based media.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

99% of discourse on "religious" people is cursed

it's either atheists denouncing everything about them (this has always been a minority)
or reactionaries praising everything under the guise of claimed contrarianism

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i've seen headlines about this and i still don't know what exactly happened but whatever it is i've surmised that it's cool and funny. fuck the MTA we're extending the subway system ourselves.

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Apparently it was members of a breakaway Messianic sect trying to get access to a building owned by the mainstream of the Chabad movement, but claimed by the breakaway sect."

That's what someone from this site said

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

They don’t know I’m going to get access to a building owned by the mainstream of the Chabad movement.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've been seeing SO much antisemitism today on other sites surrounding whatever is going on, and holy shit I want everyone who posts shit like that to go straight to the re-education camps. It's been fucking enraging

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Was going to say the first thing people are going to jump to are blood libel accusations that the jews are doing child sacrifices in the tunnels or some other q pilled shit.

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Destroying my own infrastructure in the name of freedom

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Missed an opportunity to Photoshop Saddam in the tunnels.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago
[–] material_delinquent@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Where the FUCK is a trans tunnel??? angery

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

DIGGING UNDER CHABAD, GOIN’ DOWN DOWN

DIGGING UNDER CHABAD, WHOOPS, I NEARLY SLIPPED DOWN