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‘US government documents admit that the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not necessary to end WWII. Japan was on the verge of surrendering. The nuclear attack was the first strike in Washington's Cold War on the Soviet Union. Ben Norton reviews the historical record.’

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[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The level of propaganda to not only justify turning innocent civilians into dust and basically fuck the land for the next life, but to also convince your population that it was necessary is something else

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly it doesn't take any convincing to make Americans support atrocities. The US can just do them and Americans will invent justifications all on their own.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it's because of patriotism "oh the US did this atrocity? Well I am usonian and I did nothing wrong, therefore the atrocity was ok".

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago

Yeah people here take things very personally even though no one supports the government much? I don't get it

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every aspect of culture and education in the US is dedicated to drilling into the minds of people that the US are the most good, the most just, the most honest, that their systems of governance are based on these values, and the majority of people work hard towards maintaining that.

So when a USonian is faced with this narrative being broken, they fall back into cognitive dissonance. It's only recently we've seen a reversal of this to a significant scale, but ask anyone and they'll likely tell you that they still believe these things were true a couple decades ago and it's only now that the US has become bad.

Whatever the US has accused communists of doing to their people, the US has already perfected it.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Moral superiority over even their alleged hwite brethern in Europe, is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the American Empire. Almost all things are seen by a Americans, through a lense of self-superiority. Every falling that an American espouses suddenly becomes a moral virtue that should be celebrated.

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[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

One thing missing from a lot of the dialogue is choice of targets because they wanted to perform bomb blast studies on virgin targets

Roll that over in your mind for a minute

[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago

They went as far as intentionally not bombing certain cities, to encourage refugees, industries and military offices to relocate there, so when they did bomb them later they'd inflict greater casualties and damage. They didn't do this explicitly to drop nukes, but the list of targets largely contained these cities.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That isn't taught in Burgerland schools and as far back as I can recall, it never has been. yea

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[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

but le internet historian guy said muh both sides.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Shaun did a really good video about this 2 years ago.

[–] Life2Space@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Geopolitical Economy Report is so good...

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

video summary: https://www.summarize.tech/youtu.be/5vMEgneKF10

there is a famous youtube video on this that go through all the military personnel memoirs and other documents about the lead up to the bombing. https://youtu.be/RCRTgtpC-Go

also watch oliver stone docuseries on american history (first 2 episodes)

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