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From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone from the global south we post a lot of cringe too lol

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Some of the people I've encountered over the past few weeks feel like such relics. I don't mean that they seem old or out of touch, but their politics seem to have ceased moving around 2009. It's the feel good liberalism without specific policy goals. It's so empty that I have to wonder what sort of lives they've had to be so just...liberal.

Like a lot of us were galvanized by the 2008 economic crisis, or perhaps we were part of anti-war movements, or labor movements or maybe we slammed head first into realizing just how anti-LGBTQ everything is.

But for some of the folk I've encountered, you'd think the primary three problems of the world are Russia, China, and liberals being uncomfortable online.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

I-was-saying I don't want the West to be saved

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please do not draw conclusions from how people post on a niche internet forum.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (14 children)

True, though it's arguably worse in the general population. Western indoctrination runs deeeeep.

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Please never go on South African twitter or Facebook if you think the stuff you've seen on Lemmy is bad and gives you no hope. There are plenty of dumbasses in the global south/third world

[–] boardbyboard@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

Annoying internet arguments aside, the people on the ground in the core also face the most expansive and advanced police state mankind has created yet. This makes doing anything close to truly subversive impossible without extreme precautions. Some Ferguson organizers dying (being murdered imo) comes to mind.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

there were several post george floyd executions as well

[–] boardbyboard@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

can you link me to any reporting on that? I haven't read anything specifically but I believe it.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll have to do some research but the killing of Daunte Wright was sus and I think there was another Fed style execution of a blm guy out west around the same period

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Michael Reinoehl was death-squadded by state & local police deputized by the feds.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

It is obvious there were murdered by the police, you shouldn't hedge your bets on this.

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

geordi-no "The West"

geordi-yes "The far far East" xi-vote

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Eh, I heard someone who visited Cuba being told that the US has a lot of revolutionary potential by Cuban communists so

bloomer

[–] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

I once tried explaining the concept of a mortgage to a Cuban and they were stunned that a country so rich would have such a complicated nonsense system of home ownership

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Those people don't really believe in anything, when the US states department dumps Ukraine and moves on to other imperial projects they'll shift their whole "belief system" right along with it

In a years time you'll see these very same people begin concern trolling about the bad behavior of Ukrainian refugees, they'll start using words like "ungrateful", "authoritarian" and "mentally colonized by ruzzia"

But you're right there is no hope in the north until climate change begins wrecking property values in significant numbers

The industrial and revolutionary fulcrum of the world lies in the global south

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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

You're not wrong but I'm surprised it was an online forum thing that made you realize this

It hurts me a billion times more hearing absurd anti-communist and reactionary statements irl

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