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[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

With the western world collapsing, we'll see which countries are our real friends.

crickets

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

I personally want this statement to be true, but now that the Indian foreign policy establishment has said it, it's most likely not true at all.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

why?

[+] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The media tries to present him as sagely and wise when he never has anything of value to say.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

He is vapid and obnoxious. Not to mention the cult like build up he gets on youtube and sangh cirlces : Jaisankar sigma boss move owns dumb person videos 😎

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Don’t forget military deals with Israel. Great fkn foreign policy

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He wants a war with china as much as usa.

Giving the Indian government the benefit of the doubt--aren't they basically forced to be anti-China? China's claiming the disputed territories of Aksai Chin, Arunachal, and is also creating new disputes in Sikkim and elsewhere on the Himalayan border.

Of these disputes, the only remotely debatable one is Aksai Chin, the rest objectively belong to India on extremely obvious geographic and historical grounds

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[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

if there is one thing that the Indian admin definitely does not even pretend to care about its the north east. Like don't believe me, look at the recent pogroms in manipur.

There are similar pogroms except in the opposite direction, and on a more massive scale, in Burma (one of China's closest allies). The Rohingya crisis is as big as the Palestinian one, and bigger than anything going on in NE India.

To elaborate no sankar or broadly other war hawks don't need the border issue to be anti china. They do it for appeasement. Like banning chinese apps and calling it spyware. Or banning chinese companies to have operating stores.

China has been claiming and fighting over Arunachal since 1962. Arunachal is undebatably part of the Indian continental landmass, which is the most clearly delineated landmass on the planet.

Arunachal is ALSO the source of the Brahmaputra/Ganges, which feeds 600 million Indians

war hawks don't need the border issue to be anti china. They do it for appeasement. Like banning chinese apps and calling it spyware. No they don't do it cause they forced their hand by border issue. They do it cause its good to be in USAs graces

If your neighbor is claiming your land for the last 60 years, why wouldn't you side against them?

During the Cold War, India sided with the USSR over the US. Because of USA's arming of Pakistan.
Today, India sides with the US over China. Because of China's claim over Arunachal and other disputed territories. It's not rocket science

Yes, the Indian leaders are just copying the US Chinaphobia.
The difference is that the Westoid rich are doing it purely because they'll lose one of their mansions, while the Indian leaders are doing it because of that and ALSO because China is trying to conquer an area that feeds 10% of the world's population.

The USA's Chinaphobia is not existential, India's is.

Frankly China could easily settle this matter if they really wanted. Although that wouldn't fix the BJP-induced inequality overnight, it would open up space for protest and rebellion within India, because y'know people are more accepting of inequality when 1/2 their population is being threatened by land claims

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[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The genocide in Myanmar is massive scale and has been going for a long time now. The Indian north east pertains to the Indian government not to Myanmar.

Yes, and my point is that Myanmar is a very close ally of China. It's doubtful that China cares about genocide, and it's obvious that they had no moral high ground to stand on back in 1962, when they began fighting over Arunachal, when all of India was equally undeveloped.

Just because the BJP sucks, it doesn't mean that China is right. That's simplistic thinking.

The USA admin almost nuked india at that time. It doesn't side with china out of hatred to the usa siding with pak. Pak is also a china ally now. It sides cause it wants to trade anyway.

Ok, now follow that thought to its logical conclusion: was free trade with China a big issue in 1962? No! Neither China nor India could barely even keep their people alive at that point, let alone do significant business! And China was still invading Arunachal back then too! So even trying to pin this on India's tariffs/refusal to parttake in belt&road doesn't make any sense.

"The USA admin almost nuked india at that time" Okay, now use that same clear-headed thinking towards the China issue: The world's up-and-coming superpower wants to claim your province which feeds 600 million people in your country. Is that not comparable to getting nuked?

None of your arguments hold any water. Sangh/RSS didn't exist in 1962. BJP didn't exist in 1962. China trading with people wasn't a thing in 1962. Belt and Road didn't exist in 1962.
The end of story is that the Arunachal problem is ultimately China's fault, even if India has given them some moral-high-ground ammo in the last few decades. China could easily resolve it peacefully if it really wanted to (I hope they do!)

I'm Dravidian, eat beef, and pork, and hate the BJP but blaming everything on the Indian government means you don't understand history. I personally find the Jaishankar fanboyism cringe also

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 5 months ago

He's a member of BJP. Apart from that I don't have a good picture of what he is like. But he did cringe shit like saying Oct 7 uprising was terrorism.

[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

..unless they start WW3 in a fit of panic or to cover their crimes.

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago

Yeah, but we know how starting a world war typically goes. And they don't have the best track record for actually winning wars. Not that it wouldn't be horrendous.

[–] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Damn when did all the nukes disappear?