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I set up a 4-day trip years ago and my SO requested the time off. Denied. Changed the reservation, paid a fee and again denied. In fact, every weekend in June through August was denied due to "seniority" and other employees taking their vacations.
I changed the reservation again (and paid another fee) and told my SO the dates they'll be sick.
We called early in the morning on the way to a great trip. It felt great. FAFO
When I take vacation, I always phrase it as "I am taking vacation from X to Y". Requesting time off for vacation you're owed is such a scam to allow people with little power feel like they can control you.
Yeah, I had a manager try to pull "You'll need to find coverage for the day." I'll ask around, but that kind of sounds like your job. Everybody said no to me, so it's going to be even harder for you. Best of luck!
Yeah that's explicitly a people-task, which is supposed to be the whole point of managers
Yup, this is how I do it. Had ONE manager try the whole "we actually NEED you to come in, we don't have enough coverage" thing the day I was scheduled to start my vacation, so I sent them a picture from the window of the plane I was on.
It entirely depends on the particular workplace and what is involved, but either way a decent manager should work with you.
"John, Sarah, and James have already asked for that time off, and we have to have someone in the shop. Would you be able to change to this time to this time?" And you never, ever, ever call someone in when they are on PTO. If you, as a manager, okayed it, it's on you if there's not enough coverage for whatever reason.
In fairness, I work in Search and Rescue, so operations like mine and other emergency-related workplaces can't just be like "Oh well, I guess we won't have coverage that day, Joe wanted to go hunting." If you work in an office and your work literal lives aren't depending on you and others being there, then managers should work around it as best they can.
That's how I approve time off. I realize people have dependents and school vacations and shit, so - if it even comes to that - I'll ask if they can move it. But I see their 'request' more as a notice that they'll be away, because they can always be 'sick'. So I'm trying to preserve the trusting relationship instead.
Because honestly, the world will keep turning even if we miss that arbitrary deadline by two weeks. Or six months.
Your partner's employer has woefully insufficient staffing levels if they can't tolerate their absence
That sounds like you're not being a team player. It is absolutely vital that we maintain a skeleton crew because your manager's bonus is dependent on cutting payroll to the point of nonfunctionality.
Yep. Half my vacation is just calling in sick because of reluctance to let me use my earned PTO.
Why are we discussing a screenshot of a title and not the article?
Why did OP take the effort to take a screenshot of a title, upload it then post this instead of linking to the article?
Millennials Are "Quietly Screenshotting" Headlines Instead Of Linking To Articles: "Probably Something To Do With Avocado Toast" expert warns.
Workers who receive 11 to 15 days of PTO each year are more likely to use up their days, Rodney says, but there's a significant drop-off once people get 16 or more days.
And here I am, thinking my 30 days are too little.
My friend has unlimited PTO. He’s not even shamed for using it.
I’m envious.
Typically, people take fewer days off when "unlimited", as they don't feel they are owed any particular amount.
Also, in the US, employers have to pay departing employees for any unused PTO. If the PTO is "unlimited," there's (perhaps counterintuitively) nothing to reimburse.
One of my biggest social media pet peeves. A screenshot of a headline is a useless post. They either took the screenshot and chose to not include the link or - more likely - they copied it from some Instagram page
It denies everyone the article, it's not searchable, and it's inaccessible for people using things like screen readers. People who screenshot text deserve a special place in hell.
Millennials are "quiet sleeping" at night... Ungrateful fucks.
My manager sat on a leave request of mine for a week. When I inquired about it, he said it wasn’t a good time, but begrudgingly approved it. I understand why people are not asking. I get 12 days off a year. If I can’t have the days I want, what’s the fucking point of leave?
Remember that violent protests were used in Europe to establish our rights. It's incredibly weird looking to the US from the outside. You have the right to bear arms, specifically to oppose tyranny, yet nobody seems to do so.
TL;DR: American Conservatives have spent millions of dollars since the 70s studying language and ideas and figuring out how to frame every issue from a conservative, pro-capital, pro-business perspective.
Well, you see, back during the 1960's and 1970's there was a huge push in the US against war, against white supremacy, against fascism, against the draft, against segregation, and many other things. Many of the people who currently hold US political offices today were either in the universities and colleges when these protests were ongoing, or were already working as staffers for conservative politicians. They saw what was going on and became determined to never let these things happen again. In 1971 when then Supreme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell mailed a confidential memo to his friends in the US Chamber of Commerce titled: "Attack on American Free Enterprise System" and outlined Powell's concerns re: the youth of the US and the growing sentiments against the Vietnam War. He was worried that our nation's best and brightest were becoming anti business because of our involvemnt in Vietnam. Powell's agenda included getting wealthy conservatives to set up professorships, setting up institutes on and off campus where intellectuals would write books from a conservative business perspective, and setting up think tanks. He outlined the whole thing in 1970. They set up the Heritage Foundation in 1973, and the Manhattan Institute after that.
And now, as the New York Times Magazine quoted Paul Weyrich, who started the Heritage Foundation, they have 1,500 conservative radio talk show hosts. They have a huge, very good operation, and they understand their own moral system. They understand what unites conservatives, and they understand how to talk about it, and they are constantly updating their research on how best to express their ideas.
Now, you might be wondering why progressives haven't done the same thing. There's a systematic reason for that. You can see it in the way that conservative foundations and progressive foundations work. Conservative foundations give large block grants year after year to their think tanks. They say, 'Here's several million dollars, do what you need to do.' And basically, they build infrastructure, they build TV studios, hire intellectuals, set aside money to buy a lot of books to get them on the best-seller lists, hire research assistants for their intellectuals so they do well on TV, and hire agents to put them on TV. They do all of that. Why? Because the conservative moral system has as its highest value preserving and defending the "strict father" system itself. And that means building infrastructure. As businessmen, they know how to do this very well.
Meanwhile, liberals' conceptual system of the "nurturant parent" has as its highest value helping individuals who need help. The progressive foundations and donors give their money to a variety of grassroots organizations. They say, 'We're giving you $25,000, but don't waste a penny of it. Make sure it all goes to the cause, don't use it for administration, communication, infrastructure, or career development.'
People bragging about not taking their PTO days are quite common in the work place. I always like to remind them that it's a compensation and part of their contract. Then I brag that this month, I didn't asked to be paid because I'm dedicated worker like them. It makes them look stupid.
And manager being difficult when requesting PTO are horrible. Because it's their job to manage staffing. They should understand the concepts explained above. But they don't, they are probably the kind of people bragging about "working a lot"
If "quiet quitting" was just doing the absolute bare minimum, wtf is "quiet vacationing?" Showing up to work but then spending all day in VR at a virtual beach while at your desk? 🤷🏻♂️
Quiet quitting was doing what you were hired to do, and not taking on stuff beyond your role. I'm guessing that quiet vacationing means you take the breaks that are in your contract, or that you sleep in your free time.
I guess I am kind of a lazy entitled bastard. Wanting to tuck my kids in at bedtime and whatnot.
I looked it up, it's when remote workers go on vacations without telling anyone.
If the work is done on time, who gives a fuck.
Middle managers everywhere, being little bitches.
Man millennials really like to do things quietly
It's rarely worth an argument. Especially for the early millennials that came up when boomers were still running around everywhere.
I don't know what the article says they're doing, but yeah, if there's a way to do something without having to talk to cranky old people about it, we're just going to do shit the quiet way.
Why give them the opportunity to turn it into an argument?
Dealing with those boomers is like dealing with toddlers.
It sounds like because there's a shitload of distrust for workplace managers and HR departments, some workers are being very reserved about what they tell their bosses.
If bosses are going to presume you're lazy for taking breaks and using PTO, it might be better to offer a less triggering explanation.
Very much like if a website refuses to serve Firefox or VPNs, it might be useful to hide your website and VPN use.
My boss after approving my time off: So what you gonna do with your time off?
Me: rest.
Boss: going anywhere?
Me: I'm gonna rest.
Boss: ohh you gotta do something fun.
Me: I am, resting.
I'm not telling you shit you weird fuck, plus you dont pay me enough to go on holiday so imma take advantage of not having to be here by resting my over worked body.
When the boss asks what are your plans your response is "my plans are my own and very important"
Employee: I'd like to use my PTO
Boss: No
Employee: (goes on vacation anyway)
Boss's best friend news:
If you can’t handle me being out for a week how are you going to handle me quitting from being overworked from you not being able to handle being out for a week?
When minimum wage workers requesting vacation time 3 months in advance during a non-holiday month get denied, knowing full well that the weekly schedules arent posted until just about the day before they go into effect... Yeah. People are going to do what they need to do. Goodness knows I did everytime that happened. You'd never guess how many times I've claimed getting Mono before covid was an option.
The Swedish vacation law (Semesterlag 1977:480) amateurishly translated by me. And I am in no way experienced enough in our labour law to comment on how it looks for those not working full time. The short lesson is to Remember Ådalen, or those that fought, bled and died four our labour rights.
4 § En arbetstagare har rätt till tjugofem semesterdagar varje semesterår [...]
An employee have right to twentyfive vacation days per year
12 § Om inte annat har avtalats, ska semesterledigheten förläggas så, att arbetstagaren får en ledighetsperiod av minst fyra veckor under juni-augusti[...]
If nothing else have been agreed upon, the vacation is to be scheduled such that the employee get a vacation period of at least four weeks during june -august
Unions work. Labour movements work.
Probs because companies have that bullshit ‘unlimited PTO’ that’s often not real
Do y'all have any idea how jealous the old angry people are?
They they have any idea how much none of us care? We're all living in the shite world they created.
My wife and mys manager when we worked at the same place once told each of us separately in out reviews:
You do great, I love that you finish your work early, but the other people in the office dont like that you go home AT 5 (9 hour shift w/ 30m lunch) because they stay an extra 2-4 hours regularly.
Said it to me first, I just told her it sounds like her salary (I was hourly) employees suck at their jobs. She just kinda stares at me (this is the exact bluntness she promoted me to working with her for so...)
When she said it to my wife SHE went off on one about how she used to do those other people's jobs and that it's ridiculous that they can't do it in the same amount of time and would dare demand that she stay extra time just to appease their incompetence
She straight up admitted to us all the 40-60 year olds just didnt like that we could do our jobs and go home because we could type faster than 12 WPM