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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 98 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'll say it once again: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

It didn't matter because, as the recent ruling shows us, we live in a fucking bourgeois dictatorship!

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[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 86 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 77 points 4 months ago (19 children)

Someone who should know better, probably does and decided to ride the grift

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 75 points 4 months ago

Definitely the picture of fuck you got mine

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago

One of the first NATO-leftists to really grow a decently sized audience

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel awful that I used to watch her.

Everytime I think of what a liberal is, she comes to my mind.

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago

don't worry about it, she became more lib as she got rich and (relatively) famous

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

Should have died a hero

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 86 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

We live in the present, we confront the problems of the present.

But the democrats? they never came home from the horrors of 2016.

Oh fuck, serously Contra? Jesus christ.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 75 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not surprised. Natalie is the archetype of that one problematic girl on your biggest trans discord that you've blocked ages ago but you can't stop clicking on her bad takes. Not getting into all the internal struggle sessions of the trans community here, so let's just leave it at the fact that she's been an out and proud anti-communist turbo lib since the 2020 electoral cycle and that she's been on some weird interview format hosted by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 63 points 4 months ago

she's been on some weird interview format hosted by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton.

deeper-sadness

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

she's been on some weird interview format hosted by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton.

Lord, I'm glad I stopped watching her after 2020. She fell

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago

She's stanning her bestie rn

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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 73 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Natalie Wynn and James Somerton are exactly why I don't claim white queers without actually knowing and vetting them

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some of the worst shit I've ever heard was from queer people who immediately retorted with "It's fine, I'm gay"

Which, so am I, and also fuck you for trying to shield yourself with that

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some of the worst shit I’ve ever heard was from queer people who immediately retorted with “It’s fine, I’m gay”

I'm convinced this is what spurs the Three No's queers to never once self-crit their fuckery tbh

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Something I used to frequently see (98% of the time on a white gay's profile) back when I still had the tolerance for Grindr. "No Blacks, no fats, no fems"; sometimes they'd substitute Black for any other subset they considered undesirable, sometimes they'd get cute about "no rice, no spice"; but it's all bigotry at the core

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I've seen that plenty. I want to respect people have preferences but that whole vibe always felt icky to me. I never talked to people like that though so never thought about it much.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

To me, 'preferences' were always like-- where I'm concerned, I prefer dallying with creatives; I prefer painters, musicians, and sculptors; I prefer people who are well-read. While I can respect some types of preference, the ones I don't respect are the ones that smell like "nah, you don't have a preference; you're just saying that so a Black person-- or even just a person with exceptionally dark skin-- can't romantically get close to you".

That just reeks of uninvestigated bigotry to me-- and note; I don't say this as a 'we should be able to hook up' kind of thing-- if anything, I don't believe the uninvestigated bigot deserves to be with anyone, really.

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[–] Angel@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The feeling that I can't be included in a lot of queer events and spaces simply because I have to fear about my race causing problems for LGBT crackkkers is very depressing. On top of that, I have a "niche" queer identity (non-binary and pansexual) as opposed to one of the more common identities that liberals will bring up to performatively speak on how "inclusive" they are (e.g. cisgender gay men/cisgender lesbians).

The transmisogynoir problem is deeply frustrating too. You have some TERFy bioessentialist queer people who view transfeminine people as a "threat" to queer cis women, then you couple that with the fact that I'm black, a people perceived as "dangerous, violent, and aggressive," and this all leads to reactionary LGBT people who will try to avoid and exclude me at all costs for """"safety reasons.""""

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

and this all leads to reactionary LGBT people

But y'know, as soon as they're the ones being threatened, it's "oh, we need to come together, we need you to do the emotional labor for us so we can throw you to the side as soon as the rain passes" bullshit. I feel you, homie; that's another substantial chunk of why I just don't fuck with white queers. I'd fw ballroom folks if I lived anywhere near any of the hotspots; from what I've seen of it, that feels like what our gay culture should be.

Let the crackers have their parades with corporate logos every two feet and a cop for every dangling peckerwood; they already done forgot their 'parades' were our riots in the first place. I'd rather have warehouse parties with the most flamboyant of those who'd live loudly in their truth.

[–] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 52 points 4 months ago

we should have voted for the person who wanted trump to win his primary and helped that happen so that she could beat trump instead of lose to a monster of her own creation

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hilldawg would have gone full Cersei "Gambo Thrones" Lannister the nanosecond that the SCOTUS ruled that the President has immunity from prosecution for official acts. The drones would have already been in the air before the ink on the page was even dry.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

They would have been flying to Gaza, however

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Shit. Is that contrapoints? 😬

Haven’t seen much from them in a minute but looks like they aren’t doing great

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

She has literally always been like this

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[–] Procapra@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember when ContraPoints compared her fans to kiwifarms users after calling her out for collaborating with buck angel?

...yeah

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

Natalie Lost

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wait, hold on, what? She what?!

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 76 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Hillary Clinton was a major proponent in the overthrow of Gaddafi.

Libya was actually one of the best-performing countries in Africa under his socialist leadership (perhaps "socialist" isn't a totally correct term; he was... unfriendly to communists and didn't side with the USSR during the Cold War, but in practice there are similarities between his policies and socialist ones), but his anti-imperialist stance and material support for anti-US groups brought sanctions to Libya. This was especially problematic given that the socialist policies that Gaddafi enacted were funded largely by oil, and so sanctions on that oil was a critical weakness. Things deteriorated inside Libya during the 80s/90s but eventually Libya and the West came to an agreement to open things back up. Now in a post-USSR world and concurrent with US wars in the Middle East not far from him, opportunities for supporting anti-imperialist militant groups were rarer, so he focussed more on a grand project of African political and economic unity against American imperialism, such as the creation of an singular African currency which would have been called the "gold dinar", as well as a single African passport and a singular African army. These efforts towards de-dollarization are, in hindsight, among the first rumblings of the dollar's downfall in the period after the 2008/9 financial crash (authors such as Radhika Desai were writing about how this crisis portended a coming multipolarity a full 8 years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when serious discussions of it began).

The Arab Spring was quickly used against him by America, with NATO offering their support to anti-Gaddafi rebels as well as bombing factories. When Gaddafi was murdered, Libya plunged into a civil war that rages to this very day, creating widespread poverty in the chaotic aftermath and, indeed, slavery. While Obama and others in the establishment have expressed some regret over how things turned out, it's clearly not serious enough regret to impact policy, given that the US still loves to spread war and bomb countries that oppose them.

The message here is to adopt a more internationalist stance. Many liberals in the general public are unfamiliar with the atrocious foreign policies that many politicians implicitly or explicitly support. The most monstrous liberals even support those atrocities. If you ignore these policies, one could almost convince themselves that Clinton and others weren't really that bad; sure, a little old-fashioned, a little too capitalist, but the only reason why you could be filled with utter hatred of her is because of a Russian disinformation campaign funded by Trump or whatever. Knowing her history reveals her to be a heartless ghoul up there with Kissinger. Biden has a similar history, but there's even less of an excuse for supporting him, because many of his worst policies were and are domestic and the genocide he is supporting is literally ongoing. And lesser evilism is an unviable strategy; we've been trying it for decades and things have consistently gotten worse. The implicit argument is that we have to endure the lesser evil for now, but at some point the government/president can be pushed left and things will actually start improving rather than just getting worse slower. This point has never arrived despite many years of trying, and people versed in Marxism and leftist theory more generally are completely unsurprised about this, while (usually white) liberals continue to fall for the trap and derangedly claim that you're actually racist if you don't vote for the person who is building walls on the border in a continuation of Trump's policies, boosting police budgets, and bombing countries that are trying to stop the genocide of 2 million Palestinians.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Thanks for doing the text version. I was lazy and linked a video. Gaddafi was a hero and I will yell that at people forever.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

I still maintain if Hillary had won we would’ve invaded Venezuela

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

If you don't like her support of Pokemon Black market dealings, you'll be put to the Pokemon Sword

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Putting the accent mark in the e in Pokemon

Jesus Christ, she really is this insufferable. Can't imagine being stuck in a room with her for anywhere longer than 5 minutes.

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