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In a virtual event last week that was billed as a “Latino Town Hall,” presidential candidate and anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. unveiled his plan to overhaul addiction treatment programs. Speaking during a live recording of the Latino Capitalist podcast, Kennedy described opioid, antidepressant, and ADHD “addicts” receiving treatment on tech-free “wellness farms,” where they would spend as much as three or four years growing organic produce.

How to pay for these farms? Kennedy had an answer. With money generated through a sales tax on cannabis products, Kennedy said, “I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms—drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country,” he said. “I’m going to make it so people can go, if you’re convicted of a drug offense, or if you have a drug problem, you can go to one of these places for free.”

On the farms, he said, residents would grow their own organic food—which would help them recover from addiction, “because a lot of the behavioral issues are food related. A lot of the illnesses are food related.” The idea that addiction is connected to consuming non-organic food is not backed by robust science—but it’s in line with many other unfounded claims that Kennedy has made in the past about pesticides and non-organic food causing chronic disease, behavioral problems, and autism.

Cell phones and other screens, he said, would be prohibited. “We’re going to re-parent people and restore connection to community,” he promised. “We have a whole generation of kids who are dispossessed, they’re alienated, their marginalized, their suicide rates are exploding; the second largest killer for young people is drug addiction.” Kennedy has suggested in the past that 5G cell phone technology could cause health problems.

The range of people receiving such treatment could potentially include wide swaths of the population, since the wellness farms wouldn’t just be for people addicted to illegal drugs, but also for people who are taking antidepressants and ADHD medications. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately 11 percent of Americans ages 12 and older take antidepressants, and about 4 percent of Americans between the ages of five and 64 take medication for ADHD.

I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.

Last year, Kennedy posited during a Twitter spaces event with Elon Musk that antidepressants could be to blame for school shootings.

The Kennedy campaign didn’t respond to Mother Jones’ request for comment on the remarks that Kennedy made during this event.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 84 points 3 months ago (3 children)

“We have a whole generation of kids who are dispossessed, they’re alienated, their marginalized, their suicide rates are exploding; the second largest killer for young people is drug addiction.”

curious-marx

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago

Policy like this is a pretty solid example of false consciousness, isn't it? Highlight real problems in a distorted way, propose a complete non-solution to that hallucinated version of the problem

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Marx is like this marx-doomer in his grave rn

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I WARNED YOU ABOUT ALIENATION I TOLD YOU DOG

i-told-you-dog

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I've finally arrived at a question after years: is he serious? Is this the cynical use of the material conditions to enrich oneself or does he earnestly believe in the inversion of drugs causing the dispossession, alienation, and marginalization? I've never seen an institution, philosophy, or solution besides triage and liberalism assert that one ought to chase symptoms instead of root causes. I could have made the leap in primary school that people cope with pain with drugs. The idea that you're going to further dispossess and alienate them to fix it is logic that would give a toddler a tantrum. Are they serious? I would respect them more of they weren't. You want to appropriate capital (which, of course, is made with labor) for your own hallucination project to make problems worse on their face? Surely you just mean to make a lot of money, right?

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Liberals literally don't understand why people abuse substances. The very simple version of reality is that people live a bad life -> they use drugs, but this requires an acknowledgement that people live bad lives and why that happens. Liberals who follow through on this investigation must arrive at the conclusion that people are harmed by capitalism can either accept this, which results in them becoming leftists, or, much more common, reject this and hold on to the idea that capitalism is good.

To justify this, they have to blame the victims of capitalism for their drug abuse: they're lazy, they don't want to be helped, nothing can be done etc. Liberals will backwardly justify the current existence of things to hold on to the notion that capitalism is good, rather than be challenged on their ideals.

This is why they never talk about preventing the root causes. That would require an acknowledgement that the root cause of societal misery is capitalism, and thus require a change to the status quo, which is incompatible with liberalism.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess I just have an easier time imagining myself in a position of power going "yeah, the status quo is tragic, but I'm making a lot of money off of it" as opposed to stumbling into a position of power by playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey completely blind to people's problems. Maybe they didn't ask "why?" enough as a child. It seems so insular! You'd have to have even avoided interacting with the opioid epidemic because there's plenty of stories of in-group people getting a broken ankle playing tennis, taking some prescribed opioids, and getting got. If you ever dare to ask "why were there so many opioids?" you'd find yourself back at capitalism. I pray to be awakened from any biases that would worm up my brain like that.

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[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think he is serious

RFK has never been a particularly clever individual, I think he earnestly believes this is a good solution. He would have to know it would be received less than warmly, so it isn't like he's supporting it for political points, he just really thinks it is a grand idea

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

May Allah awaken the people and help them to see the evil doings of Israel and the United States

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Now that's what I call posting

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As the CSE (Communist Simpsons Enjoyer) of Hexbear, you'll see that I somehow manage to use references on a pretty daily clip

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 49 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I sorta love the idea.

Imagine having some idyllic, healing forest available to you when the world gets to be too much. With mellow music, birdsong, activities, etc.

But the idea is what I love. I don't have any faith in the execution.

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

Getting outside and interacting with (fairly) normal people in a place I enjoy has helped me a bunch. But it isn't a cure all, doesn't resolve external material conditions that worsen depression etc for me and others, and 100% the "nature camps" turn into easy targets for "list of people we should kill".

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

glasses-on Concentration camps for people with mental health problems.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Finally I'll be able to concentrate!

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[–] vertexarray@hexbear.net 45 points 3 months ago

Do NOT let him cook

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If a leftist suggested reeducation camps, liberals would shoot them for suggesting gulags. Righties suggest camps, and they're a leading candidate.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Whatever this crank would actually do, as-described here it would be a good policy because it's the good kind of camp a proper Marxist would suggest (by coincidence, one must assume)

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[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

porky-happy between prison slavery, "wellness farms", outsourcing, undocumented labor, and the return of our favorite: child labor, we have a pretty sizable reserve army of labor. Good luck going on strike!

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[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

“ADHD is a food-related illness that be cured working 3-4 years on a cannabis farm”

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

Fuck it I'll give it a whirl

[–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

From personal experience it doesn't. Working outside doing manual labor with big ol smelly nugs all around you is pretty nice, though.

[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tbf he just wants to have Fetterman shot behind a shed.

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

Critical support

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I had a week in the mountains where I had no internet connection and did hard physical tasks for 10 hours a day every day.
I'd never felt happier. Still had ADHD though, because it's not an illness, it doesn't need to be cured and it can't.
It also helped the physical tasks where things like hiking, skiing, chopping wood, climbing, and other like things that are fun

The neurodivergents... They yearn for the hills

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago (8 children)

All a mentally unwell person needs is some time in the woods. Just uh... don't look at the acts of a certain mathematician.

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

Dog-eating sex offender has thoughts about who should be exiled from society.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

this is like 70% of the plot of A Scanner Darkly, once of course all the rehabilitation farms are revealed to be raw material sources for the drugs that are being treated as addictive.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago
[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What are we farming here?friend-visitor-1

We need more friendsbrainworms

friend-visitor-3

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

US really going more mask off than usual as of late

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Ok I fully support this but replace "people on antidepressants" with "the bourgeoisie" and "wellness farms" with "farms".

mao-wave

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago
[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

"i wish we could force these weirdos to tough grass" monkey-typewriter

brainworms put the depressed into agricultural slavery! porky-happy

monke-beepboop how could you possibly think that's what i meant

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

if anyone asked me 30 years ago whether it would be plausible that a politician who openly talked about having worms eat part of his brain and who talks like a frog could go around and run for president and also shit on regular people who are just trying to survive anyway they can, i'd think they took a lot of drugs and/or needed professional mental help

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[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ speech-top

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[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

Can i play on my computer at the farm?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

Just found out I'm antidepressant addict. Off to the ~~concentration camp~~ farm for me.

[–] HexBeara@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago
[–] Breath_Of_The_Snake@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

The implementation under capitalism would be bad, but under socialism it would be a good idea. Reconnect with the land, grow food, being part of a sober community. It sounds way better than most of what currently exists as a solution.

I'm not opposed to farm based rehab but this is not it

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