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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/transenby_liberation@hexbear.net

As someone who is AFAB and has naturally high testosterone, yeah it's bringing up some painful feelings.

Fuck these assholes.

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[-] rhubarb@hexbear.net 80 points 1 month ago

I think people are mistaken when they treat this as some friendly fire incident, acting like the fact that she is a cis woman is in itself a counter-argument to the transphobia. Policing gender expression is the point, this is not transphobes making a mistake, it's transphobia operating normally.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 51 points 1 month ago

I agree 100%

[-] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 60 points 1 month ago

It's no coincidence that Imane Khelif is from decolonized Algeria. The current state of the global gender hegemony is a direct result of colonial gender enforcement.

Bourgeois gender ideology rose to prominence during their early consolidation of power through the transatlantic slave trade and the colonization of the new world. Womanhood as a class category was built in direct opposition to the existence of racialized women: from its inception, bourgeois "womanhood" specifically excluded women of colour.

The bourgeois gender roles didn't hold for slaves: Black women were expected to toil in "masculinized" field labour alongside the men, and Black men were also used for domestic, "feminized" labour. Womanhood--and manhood, to a lesser extent--was specifically a condition of white European femininity, which needed to protected from the perceived evils of miscegenation. Slaves were dehumanized, literally objectified, and thus ineligible for gendering.

With the abolition of formal chattel slavery, fears of miscegenation became rampant in bourgeois society, and so the status of "womanhood" as a state of white fragility that required protection from the Black Other was cemented. At the same time, feminized labour was still being done by former slaves and now racialized immigrants, mostly men as women were largely excluded from many wage labour activities, which kept the lines between "manhood" and "womanhood" blurry (as perceived by the bourgeois ideology).

The racialized Other was simultaneously feminized, never able to truly attain the dominant position of "man," which was a bourgeois (and thus white) class position, and dehumanized, projected to be a dangerous object of violence, an "animal." Racialized women, who due to immiseration and systemic denial of opportunities, continued to labour in ways unfit for (white, bourgeois) "womanhood," were not granted entry into the role of "woman." While white womanhood was a position of fragility, a potential victim of the perceived dangers of miscegenation, racialized women were excluded from womanhood (and, through objectification, humanity) itself, the overwhelming victims of gender-based and sexual violence, which became a tool leveraged by white men to control, dominate, and punish those who strayed from their perceived "place."

The one-two punch of white (woman) fragility, and white (man) domination, are essential kernels of bourgeois/colonial gender ideology, and are methods still in use to enforce colonial/imperial roles on the world at large.

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago

Honestly it's so fucking disgusting and it isn't new. Back in the day Serena Williams got the same treatment but obviously not as intense as the trans hate train hadn't gained as much speed. Such a big part of it is racism. They don't want to celebrate women in sport. They want to celebrate particular women. Going back to the Serena Williams example, they wanted to see Hingis or Sharapova win. Wonder why

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, I hate that women have to look a certain way to be considered women. It's fucking stupid.

Like you say it's very linked to racism. Anytime a black woman wins at sport dudes are always bringing out the 'looks like a man' bullshit.

Fuck their hate of strong women.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

Once again, liberals are such rubes for thinking any of this is out of a serious desire to ”protect women's sports”, no TERF gives a shit about women's sports.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago

These transphobes only think women can be supermodels and nothing else.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Michelle Obama was also the target of transvestigators with close up shots and shopped pics of her groin area. alex-oopsie Spread that rumor. Like cringe

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 51 points 1 month ago

Well some good news at least

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Good.

It's a shame that the damage has been done though, and Imane Khelif had her victory dampened by lies that are still probably going to persist because assholes don't care and just want to make out like there is some evil trans conspiracy

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago

I know it's just a machine translation thing, but cabal is too cool of a word for these losers.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It isn't a machine translation thing this time, the original reads "... pour leur cabale et la diffusion de fake news..."

Our word cabal comes from the French word with the same meanings

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's really fucking gross seeing people just go completely mask off about this

Really goes to show that intersection of Misogyny, Transphobia, Racism and Nationalism

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago

This shit is going to lead to more violence against women isn't it?

That's what I'm afraid of too. It's like this is the latest interation of the cishet patriarchy lashing out in an attempt to reassert the total dominance it once had. It's doing that in this case by taking female athletes and trying to strictly police their appearance.

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

It's so fuckin dumb. Everyone in fighting is sauced up on T. It's irrelevant and just how it is. The same body that tests Olympians tested the ufc for many years and anyone who has been following the UFC knows how much of a fuckin joke that is. Almost everyone has elevated T levels due to juicing and ya know what that's just OK. All of a sudden it's a big issue for this girl for some reason and everyone latched on to it.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Because she is non white, African, and swept the floor with a white Italian fascist lady. That is the real underlying reason beyond just bog standard transphobia.

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

swept the floor with a white Italian fascist lady.

White Italian fascist lady cop

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

A guy I know who is typically "normal" (although very anticommunist) went on a long rant about hip length or some shit in a group chat im in. I've know the guy for 20+ years at this point and he keeps becoming more reactionary every year I feel. Doesn't help that he's in the medical industry either. I can't stand this shit, and it gets tolerated or at least, not called out by others in our clique. I stepped away from digital communications with them for almost a year because of how toxic he is. Its like the text chat is his internal monolog because he's rarely like this in person.

But I'll probably disengage again after this latest screed, but man, its hard. That group has been stable for 20+ years. Most of them are still cool. Its just frustrating to watch these takes go unchallenged. I don't have the energy to do it myself anymore.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

If your clique includes fat Canadian commie dads, I'd be happy to join!

As a father of post-irony irony-poisoned teens, I am quite adept at being a real commie motherfucker on the downlow.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

All commie parents are welcome to come chat on the matrix parenting channel I set up! Check the sticky post in !parenting@hexbear.net for more details.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

how long my hips gotta be before I get the stamp, according to this guy

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Whatever length creates the rotational forces required to not punch like a girl I imagine. I didn't stick around to read his dissertation.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

"Hip length" is so funny to me. Ty for this.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Haha any time.

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

What's mind-boggling to me is how far on the "reality denial" scale this is. A woman with a vagina and a uterus, their textbook definition of a "biological female". Transvestigations used to be reserved to the most fringe facebook lunatics out there, and now all of a sudden every woman at the Olympics is unironically being transvestigated, including a few white women. It's so bizarre and everything they say is almost aggressively untrue, they're barely even trying.

[-] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Transphobia was never based on science, it was always unhinged paranoia and this is the logical conclusion, lol

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

It’s like they just keep getting dumber and more belligerent. People are a pain in the ass.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Repeated covid infections and constantly increasing atmospheric %CO2 and temperatures mean we all get to look forward to everyone being a little dumber and more belligerent until we don't

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

I'm a cis white male who was transphobic up till like 2 and a half years ago and its making my head spin. You'd think the terfs would be lined up to defend the cis woman from a country where being trans is illegal rather than stacking up on the side that is falsely accusing a woman of being trans. Its fucking bonkers.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

It's the meme of the guy with the two buttons and they're labelled ”Be racist” and ”Be transphobic”, except instead of hesitating, TERFs are hammering both buttons like they're playing Track & Field.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

She and Algeria are becoming unintentional trans allies by forcing these frothingfash to recognize the reality that gender isn't always strictly narrowly binary and nature itself expresses this. An olympic level competitor got a fascist to rage quit in under a minute. nazi-punching

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

wait, so this whole thing started because a corrupt Russian chud boxing official said that she has XY chromosomes?

Not surpsrising that there's zero proof but she didn't even fail a "legitimate" WADA test? Just some corrupt boxing federation bullshit?

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

It's strange that Russians are untrustworthy liars until it comes to transvestigation, then they are unimpeachable paragons of truth

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

This is jaw droopingly horrifying to watch. Sheer racist gender policing. It hurts to watch some women attack others over this shit, how is this liberation? Are women just not allowed to be good at things?

I can't understand why some people are so consumed by fear and hate that they are willing to side with men who want them chained up inside or thrown in nunneries again. Like wtf?

This transvestigating stuff is based in a nonsense Victorian feminine ideal, you shouldn't base your world view on what lead-addled racists from an evil empire thought was good.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

I can't understand why some people are so consumed by fear and hate that they are willing to side with men who want them chained up inside or thrown in nunneries again

They often already occupy a place of (relative) privilege within the social hiearchy of "gender classes" and such, it pays to punch down and maintain your position of privilege.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

Some teen kid was spittin his takes on his Gramma yesterday and that's when i learned this was a thing. I wanted to punch those words outta his mouth.

[-] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Strong same. I have no idea how to articulate it, but it is causing pain for sure.

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