This reads like it was angrily beeped by a resentful Pike.
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2024
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Whole thing is written from an Earth, not United Federation of Planets perspective.
“No humans should go there, signed one human and one half human”
I too repeatedly note in official documents which people are "pure blood" and "half breed" to make my point.
I'm sure it was meant in more of a "dual-citizenship" way, I can only imagine how complicated the logistics of being part of two interstellar species would be.
I’m sure it was meant in more of a “dual-citizenship” way
Nah, this image was recovered from the logs:
The archives must have been tampered with. That couldn't have been my sweet Pike.
I cannot ignore it what the hell is going on with the capital i in that?
I’m not sure what you mean. What capital i?
Edit: I just looked at it on a larger screen. It appears to be an issue with using a small font size. The i's do have tittles they've just blended together on the smaller font.
Does dual citizenship make one less of a citizen of one of those countries?
There are two TOS episodes that directly referenced the "United Earth Space Probe Agency" as the operational command for the Enterprise.
Basically, the United Federation of Planets did not exist when the show started, and its basic structure wasn't settled on until well into TNG. There's a second season TNG where the Klingons are federation members.
There’s a second season TNG where the Klingons are federation members.
Was it? Will have to rewatch, but I thought they just lied to the waking Klingon crew.
S2E17, "Samaritan's Snare". Wesley said it on screen, so it's canon.
There's a decent write-up on the stack exchange.
I remember that now, it felt like an out of place throwaway line later that just didn't fit.
Makes sense, since Star Fleet probably can't decide that unilaterally for the entire Federation
How do we know that this wasn't at Spock's instigate up? Like he literally petitioned Starfleet to add a rank titled "Half-Vulcan Science Officer" (which possibly offers higher pay, but stricter requirements for entry:-).
That is why I decline the title of Iron Cook and accept only the lesser title of "Zinc Saucier", which I just made up. Also, it comes with double prize money.
Yeah the more I think about it, the more specifying any amount of Vulcanism seems to be to Spock's benefit, to separate himself from the humans...
It was hammered over the head pretty hard in Enterprise that each Starfleet vessel should ideally have at least one Vulcan. For reasons. Cooperation, integrity, quality assurance, meeting some peace treaty guideline, whatever.
Even in Kirk’s time the best ships had a Vulcan. But never in command, always serving the one in command. They wanted Human brashness 99% of the time but the Vulcan was there to say “Nah, Bro.” that 1% of the time when something could go horribly sideways.
We 21st century humans see it and think racism because we’re still dealing with racism. They looked at it and simply felt reassured that the Vulcan assigned to ~~Kirk~~ Pike signed off on the report. No need to doubt its contents.
The Half- part was probably required by the Vulcans. For reasons. Damned racist Vulcans…
Sisko could have probably done with a Vulcan in command. They might have spent a little bit less time being terrorists that way.
Ironically, of the two Vulcans in that show, one was Maquis and the other had a psychotic break and went on a killing spree.
Then there was the baseball team...
I never really thought about it until now, but Deep Space Nine really seemed to hate (or at least disregard) Vulcans.
They were never really featured and usually only in a bad light or as antagonists (Take Me Out to the Holosuite). I think the best Vulcan seen on DS9 is the judge at Worf’s trial, and only because she eventually finds Worf innocent.
I always find the occurrences of paper in TOS hilarious, here we are in 2024 and paper for official communications is already starting to fade away. I have no doubt that by the 2300s paper will be nothing more than a novelty lol
Considering how often ships, Starfleet, or the entire Federation are taken over by evil computers, maybe they should use more paper.
Frakin' toasters!
Sure, and yet in government they will still use paper files for everything, with their most advanced tech being fax machines. I can definitely seeing them still use paper in a few hundred years because of red tape reasons.
That said, having seen The Cage recently, I'm with you with it being an old fashioned novelty mostly because Pike is a weirdly out of touch captain. He ultimately starts the episode with "Women, on the bridge?! Whoa, not used to that."
The Cage... uh, aged worse than TOS, even though Paramount+ made it official by putting it as a first episode to TOS (which I guess is kind of true). If it gets to be canon, than Pike being a 1960s conservative gets to be canon too.
Sure, and yet in government they will still use paper files for everything, with their most advanced tech being fax machines. I can definitely seeing them still use paper in a few hundred years because of red tape reasons.
What? Are you in the US? A LOT has been digitized government wise, we can even file for our passports entirely online now, the DMV (depending on state) has a lot of online services now, you've been able to file taxes entirely digitally for years now, FOIA requests (and other random paperwork) can be sent via email and even our most Top Secret classified stuff is transmitted digitally (Through SIPR and SCIFs).
Admittedly, a lot of it is printed for interoffice stuff, but nearly all of it exists digitally and is more of an ease of use "pretty" thing (For example, printing something out for the President to review)
It just doesn't feel like it because there is just SO MUCH that's on paper and there's a lot of volume for comparatively little info, but if you teleported someone from the 1940s gov office to one of today, guarantee theyd be like "How TF is there so little paper‽"
I think it'll depend a lot on where we're talking. I was working for a community college that had just barely digitized a couple years ago, and a fair amount was still on paper because it required funding and approval to do it, neither of which were easy to come by. Granted it took them nearly two years to hire me, so they don't exactly work fast.
The VA got into some trouble a couple years ago for relying on paper and falling behind in supporting veterans; it's probably the most egregious case. It's generally a funding issue, though.
community college
OH well yea that's a whole different thing and now I know exactly what you're talking about LMAO. Yea, old CCs are allergic to anything requiring funding unless it makes more money (I worked IT for a CC too, never again.)
We literally just signed an EO to transition certain military systems away from 5.25" floppies.
We've had the "paperless" office for fifty years now, and are still relying on tons of paper - and you think the military is gonna catch up?
We'll be done with paper after we've made trees extinct. But then we'll just have sheets of plastic.
I was in the military years ago, even then a lot has been digitized, this would have been definitely transmitted digitally. Though it probably would have been sent over SIPR or something because it would be something classified to COs or maybe XO
I got tons of orders sent to my military email, PCS orders, directive changes, DoD notifications etc. and even an online portal where you could pull up your historical transmittals with your CAC card
Though a lot of internal command business is done with a mix of paper and digital, just about any communications between an individual command and DoD or "Big Air Force/Navy/Army/Marines" was done digitally
Clearly my mind is stuck in the '90s.
It kinda makes sense that if there's any paper, it's the super top secret order book.
Ya, "air gapped"
There will always be that one history nerd weirdo that writes on historic media. It's like the people who write on parchment with feather quills nowadays.
There was also an episode in VOY where Chakotay does his log in pen and paper, Neelix even says something like "What are you doing with those antiquated things LOLOL"
It was the episode with the aliens that like to stay hidden and secrete a pheromone that inhibits peoples long term memories of them and uses a computer virus for everything digital
I still want that really bulbous pen he uses lmao
Leaving in TNG the use of technology is odd. They give each other their tablet computers, they wander over and give the commanding officer a bunch of tablets, which they then awkwardly hold in a big stack.
The only thing I can think of is that email and shared drives were technologies that were lost in the third world war.
The PADDs/Paper thing actually came up on a thread a while back. It is weird at first glance, but Tablets of today are not as cheap as paper so those kinds of "Drop off in an office across the hall" scenarios have yet to be conquered.
But in Star Trek, PADDs are practically free thanks to replicator technology. People are social creatures, and some people do actually like to do that for other reasons. Maybe they like the periodic walk or they want to talk to someone in that office. Also, I like to think in that "stack of PADDs" scenario each PADD is more on a single subject with possibly hundreds of pages within or a single subject broken up across them for quickly scanning through a ton of data. I know B'Elanna has had a few scenes like that where she's referencing multiple PADDs
I figure "half Vulcan" is a qualification, just one peg below "Vulcan."
Given that the Vulcans are, to the very last one, completely logical beings tantamount to walking computers. I don't think any of them would object to being called such. No Vulcan worth his insignia is going to make a snap decision based on emotion, nor on bad facts or flawed reasoning. This is basically saying, if even a Vulcan thinks this shit is whack, it is indeed whack. "Look man, every single damn T is crossed in this thing. We even had a Vulcan sign off on it and everything. He checked all the math. Twice. In four seconds."