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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 61 points 14 hours ago

I literally see voters saying the Democrats were too left leaning, jfc.

With parties like this, painful collapse is the only way to avoid multigenerational destitution.

There is no saving the United States as a framework. It is far too compromised, with too many methods installed to keep the people willfully ignorant and infighting as the owners suck their life forces dry for profit.

We can limp along and pretend that isn't the case, but climate change, aka the reality that doesn't give a shit about our self-delusion and greed worship, will force that collapse sooner rather than later. Reality can't be bribed, deluded, disappeared, or discredited.

Enjoy living in delusion that a society can function in capitalist competition against itself, the ability to do so is coming to an end.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I literally see voters saying the Democrats were too left leaning

Could you elaborate on this? I'm confused as to what those voters mean. Polling suggests that actual left wing ideas (universal health cares, higher minimum wage, etc etc) enjoy broad popular support. For example, Missouri (a deeply red state) passed a higher minimum wage and paid sick leave by ballot measure. Are these voters unaware of what "left wing" means, or are they unaware of public opinion?

I've seen a couple of things in this direction as well. Joe Scarborough was complaining that the democrats are too woke, and that that's why they lost the election. He was clearly advocating for throwing trans people under the bus next cycle. I've also heard a liberal buddy of mine say that democrats are moving with the American public, i.e., their right wing policies are a reflection of what the American public wants.

Here on lemmy.world I see it more indirectly. The predominant sentiment is to blame the voters ("you didn't show up", "oh you just had to care about the genocide", "look what you've done"). This operates on the false assumption that if the party changes their position to be more left wing (pro-peace, pro-healthcare, whatever) to woo the lost voters, they'd lose even more votes because the American public is so right wing.

Where are you seeing it?

[-] knova@infosec.pub 12 points 11 hours ago

I literally see voters saying the Democrats were too left leaning, jfc.

I think its important to ask the people saying that to name specific examples of HOW they were too left leaning. People just want to hurt someone now because they are hurt - it doesn't matter if they are punching left or right, if they perceive something as landing, it makes them feel better.

I am seeing Liberals online blaming minorities for not showing up when the reality is, across the board Dem voters didn't show up.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I think its important to ask the people saying that to name specific examples of HOW they were too left leaning.

They'll usually blame one of those marginalized groups they claim you hate if you don't support them. Joe Scarborough blamed Democrats' support of trans rights. After months of being told that I needed to back the Democrats for the safety of LGBTQ+ community, it was amazing to see how quickly he threw them under the bus.

[-] knova@infosec.pub 1 points 29 minutes ago

Nobody who calls themselves a Democrat or leftist or whatever label you want to apply to yourself other than “right wing dipshit” should EVER listen to anything Joe Scarborough has to say. He is a right wing grifter just like Ben Shapiro, he just happens to have the support of MSNBC or whatever network he is on now.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

The most I've seen anyone able to manifest is that she wasn't an old white man, and instead, she was too radical, because she was black, indian, and a woman. I have seen milquetoast liberals saying this, black people saying this, indians saying this, and women saying this. I don't really know how true it is, and I guess I never will know because she really didn't run a good enough campaign for me to actually run any sort of postmortem analysis relative to someone else's real turnout, because she wasn't even a baseline democrat, she ran below the baseline in terms of promises. She campaigned with dick "killed a million people" cheney and his wife. I dunno. somehow I don't believe that it's because democrat voters are just super racist or sexist or whatever.

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[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 8 points 13 hours ago

If only the consequences only applied to the people causing the issue. We're all in the blast radius. I hope I live long enough to see hope returning. So far it's just been a constant decline.

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 84 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

“To all those growing skeptical of this party’s strategies and overall agenda, let me just say we hear you loud and clear. Rest assured we will be doing everything short of interpreting that sound into words and responding to those words in any way shape or form.”

This is an all-timer.

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[-] GingerWitch@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago

Pffft!!! If your idea of "learning" is to copy any of the fascist ideas of trump, then yes, they should NOT learn anything. Did Jews after Hitler go fascist...... Oh wait.

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