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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile in a capitalist country "Hey, poors, we're raising your rent to $3000. No you can't have a plant."

[–] driving_crooner 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I found funny when rental announcements in my area said "pets allowed", like is an added benefit. Mf, is the fucking law.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalists do love fighting for years against the simplest rights that would allow you a modicum of privacy and dignity, then pretending those legal rights are actually generous gifts they're bestowing on you out of the goodness o their twisted ashen hearts.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I once had an employer who bragged about giving paid vacations. He's literally required by law to pay into the vacation fund every month, something he failed to do on a consistent basis.

which is like a restaurant saying we won't put poison in the food

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I never heard anyone say that about communism but wouldn't surprise me if they believed that. Be same assholes who dont own or can't afford a home in America.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

China at 70% millennial home ownership: "This property bubble is out of control, we need to deflate it. Housing is for living in, not speculation."

US at 35 to 50% millennial home ownership: "Hahahaha free market go brrrrrrrr. Bootstrap yourself you lazy millennial!"

[–] CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

China's not communist and their living situation is terrible.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While yes they live longer than Americans and own their own homes and live in gigantic modern cities with well planned public transportation networks built in living memory on top of premodern villages where their illiterate grandparents used to live and they all get healthcare without risking dying in a tent city as a result of getting sick, etc.

Have you considered that they don't get to be on Facebook? Checkmate putlerbots.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Have you considered that they don't get to be on Facebook? Checkmate putlerbots.

Oh no, I can't use the thing everyone hates and agrees is a detriment to society. CIA please color revolution my country!

[–] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I don't think they get free healthcare

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They do, as much as any country that hasn't abolished private insurance. It's not ideal, but what is.

The Chinese government has also established a healthcare insurance system that covers almost 96% of the population and benefits more than 1.36 billion people. This system includes basic medical insurance conducted by the government and commercial health insurance provided by various companies. Basic medical insurance is a great-covered social security course and collects the funds from enterprises and individuals. It consists of different insurances for working urban residents, non-working urban residents, and the rural population. Working urban residents pay the most insurance funds and have the highest reimbursement ratio, followed by non-working residents and the rural population [4]. As for the poor and vulnerable individuals, there is a special fund called urban-rural medical aid for serious illnesses, which covers those suffering from economic difficulties. As for the rich, they can also choose to purchase commercial health insurance individually to receive better medical service. As a result, more than 95% of China’s population is covered by the public insurance system.

[–] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

OK didn't realize this thanks for the info

which is also more or less what the French and Germans do

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Shanghai you can work minimum wage and only spend roughly 1/4th to 1/3rd of your income on housing for a standard apartment

[–] forcequit@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

tell me more

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Oh no, somebody should tell them that!

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I dont own a home now.

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is this actually done in communist countries? Is it all housing co-ops?

[–] krei@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know. The more I read about countries like China and Cuba, the more I realize I really have no idea what's going on or how things work over there. And it's not like it is easy to find unbiased information.

[–] FrogFractions@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In China they have rules that aggressively favor owner-occupiers.

Eg if you want to buy a second property you need to pay 60% cash up front and can only borrow 40%, and for a third or subsequent property you can’t get a mortgage and need to pay cash.

This means being a speculator in existing housing stock isn’t attractive since it locks up so much capital - and so speculators have instead invested in new builds which is why there has been a bubble in construction, but at least it means for the existing housing stock is largely an owner-occupier market.

There are also special funds specifically for saving for a house, kind of similar to a 401k, that you can put your money into as a savings account and your employer has to match your contributions.

also sometimes the Chinese state will just seize real estate if they feel like it. So if you do lock up capital in landlording in China there is a risk they will just take that capital

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

According to the wikipedia list of countries by home ownership rates, the top ten nations by home ownership are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

Laos : 95.9%

Romania : 95.3%

Kazakhstan : 95%

Slovakia : 92.9%

Hungary : 91.7%

Croatia : 90.5%

Cuba : 90%

North Macedonia : 90%

Vietnam : 90%

China : 89.68%


Other than North Macedonia, which I know very very little about, all of these nations currently have, or at least have had a ruling communist party in living memory.

[–] JamesGoblin@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

North Macedonia, former Macedonia - one of republics of Socialist Yugoslavia, ruled by Communist Party roughly from WW2 to 90s.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that's not real communism then duh

communism is when hungry and no iphone. That's just state capitalism