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Commit a non violent felony that doesn't step in to federal jurisdiction. Hire a good lawyer that can convince a judge to let you continue under your own recognizance working while you're living in jail awaiting trial. Every time you're trial date approaches push for an extension or a delay. Enjoy living in the premium cell at the zoo.
But living conditions and quality of life is so extremity better here in the Netherlands, so I'll stay here :) Plus, for at least the coming 4 years I wouldn't want to step foot in the US anyway.
Eh you'd be fine. Doesn't really matter who's in the white house if you're just visiting. The president has very little actual impact on day to day life. Who's in the white house is a symptom of the health of a country, not a cause of it. And, like herpes, one symptom may subside but the country is still infected.
What I'm saying is, if you wouldn't visit under trump, maybe reconsider visiting at all. Though I maintain that as a visitor you'd find the people you meet to be mostly polite and even kind, if maybe a little extra interested in you because you have an accent.
Definitely don't fucking move here though holy shit what an awful mistake that would be. In fact, if you ever do visit take me back with you. I'm cool, I'm handy, I make a mean chili. My wife loves to garden you'd basically have no chores!
I've seen many places around the world. I would like to see certain places in the US too but there are too many reasons I'd rather go somewhere else.
Why don't you leave by yourself? Plenty of really good countries you can go to. The Netherlands is nice but we have the biggest housing crisis of the EU, so maybe check other places first :)
I went to American public School.
I speak precisely one language, with maybe a passing interest in a few others. My wife doesn't even have that. Her job requires her to be able to communicate effectively. So that limits us to English speaking countries, Canada, the UK, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia. Of those, New Zealand and Ireland are tempting, though our careers aren't in high demand in either location.
Emigrating to a country we'd buy be interested in would be expensive and time consuming, and we have neither the time nor the money to accomplish that. Not to mention our families and friends are all here. We both have decent careers here.
I thought you were joking and then I did the math... Unfortunately I lose my pay if I'm locked up so I'll go back to looking at campground commuting...
$3k a month? in rent? Are you renting a 5 bedroom house in Manhattan?
That's a 200 sqft studio with no kitchen in Manhattan.
Shit my rent is 2400 and that's considered a steal for the place I live.
🤮 jesus christ
$3k a month gets you a small 2br apartment 45-60 minutes from Manhattan
Ask how I know
lol 3k$/mo is a studio apartment in manhattan.
It's insane to me that even the "luxury" jail looks like a horrendous dungeon, and the implied solution in the article is that everyone should be in the even worse county jails. It's no wonder the US has the recidivism rate that it does. All of the cells for all prisoners need to be upgraded to something that looks like a living space if there's going to be any hope for the persons in them to be able to reintegrate into normal society when they're released. Being afraid of getting raped and murdered everyday while living in a gray concrete box doesn't exactly produce well adjusted individuals. I thought the punishment was supposed to be the incarceration itself, not the added daily violence in jails. It's so barbaric, people who manage to get out of these places and become productive members of society seem almost superhuman to me.
But what started out as an antidote to overcrowding has evolved into a two-tiered justice system that allows people convicted of serious crimes to buy their way into safer and more comfortable jail stays.
The most hilarious part is believing that this is not the system behaving exactly as expected.
I hate everything about this, but the part I hate more than everything else is how 'normal' jails being rife with violence and abuse is just treated as a matter of fact, not as something that needs to be fixed.
“They tried to tell me he was afraid of the general population … but that’s part of jail,” he said in a recent interview. “That’s what makes you not want to go back, it being such a horrible experience.”
No it fucking shouldn't be, what the hell is wrong with these people?
Yeah the reason you don't want to go back is that you aren't allowed to leave for an extended period of time. We need to be fostering jails that leave people capable of reintegration to society.
Yeah, prison reform is very badly needed in this country.
Essentially torturing people and subjecting them horrific conditions has never left a person better off than they were before.
This is why we need educated, qualified, and ethically motivated people to make decisions about how places like prisons are run. Not greedy, soulless, corporate husks who exist purely to accumulate money.
The for profit prison system needs to be abolished.
we dont have a justice system. we have a revenge system. it all makes sense when you view it from its reality.
Well if we had reform oriented prisons we would run out of slave labor, duh. That's why it's in the constitution 🦅🦅
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There was a weird thing in England that if you were found not guilty and released from prison, you'd have to pay the prison boarding costs because you had no right to be there in the first place
So you had no right to be there but definitely didn't have the right to not be there
Same thing for Germany.
Someone is currently suing the Bavarian government for 750,000€ for 13 years of wrong imprisonment (he only received 400,000€ in damages, or 75€ per day).
Now the government is demanding 100,000€ back - 50,000€ for food and accomodation and 50,000€ for the total wage he received from mandatory prison labor.
They're suing his WAGE back for work he still did???
It's not like he had any rights to do his mandatory 2€-per-hour job. Completely understandable /s
Washington may be the most expensive state to be behind bars, as it charges up to $100 per day just for room and board, according to Lauren-Brooke Eisen, senior counsel at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. Maine, which charges around $80 per day, may be the second most expensive, she added, but it’s not clear because many states don’t report the exact amounts. “Most states don’t provide the exact amount; they call for ‘full cost of incarceration’ or ‘a reasonable amount,'” Eisen told Truthdig. “In reality, these states which don’t provide real numbers may demand the steepest already very difficult for people with a criminal record to get a job, even if they committed a nonviolent crime, so steep fees can add to their struggles,” she said.
Also the idea that we as the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for incarceration is ridiculous. We need to bear these costs to ensure we're incentivized to minimize overincarceration
It's ridiculous. I'd say you should be the one paid compensation (although I think it is usually deducted from compensation you are awarded by the court anyway, but still ridiculous that they have the audacity)
If I saw an article with the title
UK man has $80,000 room and board bill from prison after being found not guilty of murder.
I'd be looking to see if it was from the onion.
Holy shit.
He explained that his compensation was also calculated on the assumption that he would never have worked and would have received benefits.
Fucking monsters.
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I've lived in the UK my whole life and I've never heard of this. I'm going to have to ask for a source because it really does sound like an urban myth.
This was real until very recently.
Compensation for the wrongly convicted could be reduced by the savings on room and board you get for being locked up. Given how much money people spend on rent in the UK, this could massively reduce the compensation received.
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Reading this shit as European...
Seriously, the most American article I've read today. Time for a nap, just after I scrub my brain.
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Holy shit. Every time I think we can’t go lower I see something that blows my mind despite deep cynicism.
After he pleaded no contest to statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl who attended his South L.A. church in 2011, Leonel Pelayo, then 45, compiled a list of every pay-to-stay jail he could find.
“County jail, you’re verbally abused, physically abused by everybody,” said Pelayo, who was a church leader. “I didn’t want to spend one day there.”
Is this an Onion article?
Which also goes to show what kinds of offenders will be able to afford this kind of princess treatment. Church leader that raped a teenager deserves better than someone caught with a dime bag.
If you want your blood to really boil, look up some of the leaks about how Josh Duggar gets whatever he wants. That TLC money goes a long way behind bars. (He had the Peter Scully video on his hard drive btw - with children near Daisy’s age.)
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In the Bible Belt, you pay to stay and perform free or seriously underpaid labor for garbage cells, and phone calls are expensive.
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