The debate is largely mute, climate change guarantees revolutionary conditions one way or another (whether that revolution is successful is another story)

But for an American revolution to materialize in any way, shape or form the overseas empire has to fall FIRST, for the simple reason the overseas imperial complex empowers and materially sustains the overwhelming security state at home

There is no American org (potential or actual) that can overcome the might of 18 intelligence agencies, 5 bloated military branches, 1,000,000 heavily armed police officers and a reserve of at least 100 million potential brownshirts

It's ironic, the US is in this specific aspect firmly a one-to-one with Czarist Russia, only a catastrophic overseas defeat can open the path toward revolution and even then 50 White Armies will spring up to meet the revolution

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

only a catastrophic overseas defeat can open the path toward revolution

xi-plz

Death to America

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 4 points 22 hours ago

the US is in this specific aspect firmly a one-to-one with Czarist Russia

It is not, Czarist Russia actually had a very small segment of population supporting it, while America has majority of its population firmly tied to the state. A catastrophic defeat would be just a first step, you need to completely dismantle American Empire to even have a chance.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The basic idea is not to fight the state in an open war, but to become ungovernable and deprive it of resources until it implodes. Yeah, it gets a lot of shit from other places, but it gets a lot of shit here, too. Lots of American jobs involve taking something imported and then processing it in some way (e.g. chip production) so it can be used for a higher-order function. The military still outsources a fair amount of industrial manufacturing processes despite its incredible girth.

p.s. it's moot

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it gets a lot of shit from other places, but it gets a lot of shit here, too. Lots of American jobs involve taking something imported and then processing it in some way (e.g. chip production) so it can be used for a higher-order function

That's true, but the US has far more capacity to exert control at home than abroad, it's the weakest link that matters and can tip the scales, and all the weak links are overseas

It's impossible to become ungovernable if you're dead or in prison, but it's almost impossible for a state to guarantee that outcome if it's reeling from a collapsed military infrastructure