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[-] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 108 points 1 year ago
[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 79 points 1 year ago

Basic image analysis like this should have been done ages ago, but libs don't care about the truth just blind propagandizing

[-] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 86 points 1 year ago

I was honestly so surprised myself when I realized that the supposed most famous picture of the massacre didn't show a single dead body. Just makes you think about how easily can falsehood be used for propaganda.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 78 points 1 year ago

One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 1 year ago

Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation.

Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 1 year ago

I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre"

if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 1 year ago

Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought.

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on.

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago
[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end:

When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries.

Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility.

Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood.

It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 1 year ago

Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country)

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter.

[-] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱

[-] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history.

[-] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ...

Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it:

Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's fair to group the insurgents who attacked the PLA in with the protestors. The vast, vast majority of the protestors were peaceful throughout and never had any interest or intent of instigating a violent conflict with the CPC. The insurgents who ambushed the PLA were a very small group of people who did not reflect the interests of the greater protest movement.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

I didn't know there was a video of tank man until like two years ago. It was always shown as an image with the implication he was then killed

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!"

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time.

Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed.

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[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy.

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[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago

funny how that works

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[-] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago

I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man.

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

what happened to that poor brave man.

He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers.

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son:

"Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?"

"Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?"

"No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?"

"Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME"

Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment

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[-] temptest@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Let's supposed it was done: (I don't know if anyone did or didn't)

Who would have broadcasted or platformed it?

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[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 65 points 1 year ago

the Tiananmen Square Bicycle Massacre

[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago
[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago
[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated!

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

it really do be nice

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

thank you for having us meow-tankie

[-] richietozier4@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

You don't get it! Deng flattened all the people with his fat cheeks, then inflated everyone back up, then cleaned up the blood and viscera but not the bodies!

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

You joke but there is a BBC article that literally claims that someone saw dead bodies of the protestors beinng churned and sent down the gutter or something like that.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I remember that and it was that they ran tanks over hundreds of bodies for hours turning the remains into pulp so they could wash them down the gutters. It was years ago before I knew better and actually believed that shit. Imagine thinking that they were able to sneak out all these other photos but not any of the events they SAY happened? lol.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I believe there's actually video footage of tank man climbing up on the tank, conversing with the tank commander, and then getting down and walking away.

I'm told that many people were lying prone because there was machine gun fire from the battle between the PLA and the insurgents several blocks away.

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