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Did Russia betray Assad? The way the transfer of power happened so quickly, without resistance and no push back from Russia seems suspicious. Maybe Russia got sick of Assad?
Russia bombed the rebels, together with the Syrian Air Force they were killing 200+ a day which would have mattered in a long war. https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/syrian--russian-forces-eliminate-terrorist-units-in-coordina
But they never had many forces on the ground (6000 personel in 2017, idk how many now), Iran/Hezbollah basically liberated the country last time.
Russia has no available material assets to send Syria, they are entirely bogged down with Ukraine and can’t spare the manpower of machinery.
I doubt they lack materiel or personnel to help the SAA. It looks more like the SAA gave up, seeing as how they abandoned lots of equipment, though of course I could be wrong about all of this. Assad not even saying goodbye also makes me think that.
I'm really not clear whether Iran/Russia "abandoned" Syria or was it the other way around. The disaster is coming all the same
Kinda the latter, I think. Although it's more like Syria gave up on itself.
Apparently, years of relative peace weren't used wisely at all. Army is a mess and got poisoned with it's own propaganda about ISIS being as good as gome (because when army isn't a mess, it doesn't abandon city after city and base after base), very helpful in their time militias weren't incorporated...
As for the Russian involvement, I think it's the usual "we don't wanna be like the US, so we're not gonna involve ourselves in internal affairs, we were invited to fight islamists and that's all we'll do" song and dance with our government which invariably ends with mindboggling corruption and local elites selling themselves to the West or it's proxies, because that's how they've been living their entire lives, and if Kremlin doesn't fill the void and tell them what to do, someone will.
There is one interest of Russian capital there that I am a bit surprised didn't result in stronger involvement - planned gas pipelines from Quatar to Europe. Those were supposed to go through Syria. Maybe Gazprom and Kremlin know something and the region won't be stable enough for that now anyway, but I'm pretty sure the whole Hayat Tahrir-al-Sham (terrorist as fuck) rebranding campaign going on right now begs to differ.
Mohammad Marandi was saying that Iran had mobilized forces into Syria to help, but Assad did not give Iran a green light to help defend. Apparently Iran wanted to provide assistance, but claims Assad changed positions a couple times and then abdicated. Very strange stuff.
I think that Russia is biding their time, for better and worse.
Bidding their time for what?? The war is lost, and I don’t feel like Russia has the assets to launch a sustained naval invasion of the region.
I'm moreso talking about when the overall socialist/anti-imperialist bloc rises up against the imperialist bloc.
Russia is prioritizing its self-preservation. that's understandable, but to pretend that Russia is prioritizing the long term interests of an anti-imperialist (to say nothing of socialist) bloc by choice or design would be wishful thinking. since the overthrow of the Soviet Union, the government of the Russian Federation has wanted nothing more than to renounce its history for a seat at the table with the imperialist powers as an equal partner. they wanted to join NATO, and they'd still do that in a heartbeat if the US and EU were willing to accept Russians as "real white people" (impossible). Modern Russia is only anti-imperialist to the extent that the empire forces them into that role to survive.
Your concerns are valid and understandable and I agree with you in some respects. I'm not accusing the Russian government of being flawless, all-knowing, purposeful or 100 percent altruistic or beneficial. And you are correct in that for a long time now, Russia, and many members of the Russian bourgeoisie, have merely wanted a seat at the table than to overthrow the whole system, and that is still a concern and a challenge.
I wager that it is way too long ago, that ship of Russia sitting at the imperialist table has sailed years ago, and Russians in general and politicians are and should be waking up to that fact, and I think Putin will eventually as well.
It is in Russia's best interest to go full ham now. No matter what Russia says or does, it's becoming increasingly unlikely that Russia can or will turn back it's route to ingratiate itself with the imperialist west.
Possibly inadvertently, Russia has majorly helped lay down the foundations for the coming multipolar, anti-imperialist and socialist world, what with it's decades of connections and alliances, and it's most recent decade-ish of building alternative pathways in regards to trade, diplomacy, governance, and economic development. Russia has no reason and nothing to gain to suddenly turn back now. Even thinking from a sociopath's or an extremely greedy person's perspective, it's in Russia's best interest to forge onward.
Sometimes, the best path to personal gain is a degree of practical cooperation, altruism and win-win cooperation. There is a bit of greed in altruism, which isn't inherently a bad thing.
Which will come when exactly? If Syria or Palestine aren’t worth anything, when will they rise up? I am entirely disillusioned with Russia.
Correct, they won't even stop business with countries that are outright hostile to them let alone stick up for Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon.
But did you forget that Russian capitalist arms companies have to make profit?
I’ve tried to say this for years at this point, but I feel like people here have gone way to far in their “critical support” and genuinely believe they Russia is the second coming of the Soviet Union..: when they’re an opportunistic, rabidly reactionary, capitalist state. One that just so happens to be anti-US.
Yep, I completely agree. How easy would it have been to literally shoot down just one or two IAf jets? That would have stopped their adventures in Syria long ago. But Russia still hopes for good relations with israel and the west.
Heck what a great advertisement for their arms company if they brought down IAF jets.
Putin is just a slightly less wimpier Gorbachev. He comes from the same anti communist circles.
Putin is an anti-communist douchebag that has praised members of the White Army before, but alot of Russia's economic policies since the SMO have ironically been leading the country in a socialist direction, and more efficiently than capitalist countries. Not saying that Putin cares or understands that full picture, I see him as caring about efficiency.
Wow, so he literally got forced into some good policies through western imperialism's refusal to bend even a little. Ultimately, I think that will be western imperialism's demise.
I think/hope that it seems to be raising up the Russian people's demands for socialism.
I think you're laying it a little hard on Russia here. Not saying that Russia is a perfect angel or is some kind of master planner or altruistic, or that Russia isn't a right-wing shithole, but I think that for now, Russia is in it's best interests to assist the Global South and when it does act, it moves mountains. It can't act every single time, it has to pick it's battles.