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Image is of Trump's initial set of reciprocal tariffs. Source is CNN and Reuters.


It's difficult to keep up with the news around the tariffs; they get instated, then dropped, then reinstated... for example, on Friday, Trump said that certain electronics like smartphones would be exempt, causing markets to rally a great deal, but now the Commerce Secretary has said that they might not be exempt? The state of play right now, if you haven't been keeping up this week, is that the US recently announced a 90-day global pause on implementing the tariffs he had planned (that is, 25% on certain Canadian and Mexican goods, and at least 10% on every other nation) but nonetheless increased tariffs on China to 145%.

Meanwhile, China has been - quite remarkably - standing their ground, increasing tariffs on the US to 125%, and putting restrictions on rare earths. Xi Jinping has been in Vietnam and has made statements against a tariff war there, saying that it would have no winners. Meanwhile, a Chinese spokesperson has essentially said that China can endure the tariff war due to the increasing demand from its domestic market in combination with its growing economic ties with other countries.


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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 84 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (15 children)

Okay this is actually…. Big fucking news?

Edit: it’s a MAYBE but still cool! I know science news Isn’t exactly the purpose of this thread but it seems possibly big enough to warrant a comment here

nytimes

[–] Des@hexbear.net 55 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I can't wait to find out high pressure, hydrean aquatic life is actually dominant in the universe and we are the equivalent of a silicon based rock monster in Star Trek.

basically that mid movie the Abyss

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Subneptunes around a red dwarf are the most common planets so far. So this isn’t really that groundbreaking that human life is special in that way.

[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

“No Kill I”

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If confirmed, 120 light years is nothing in terms of cosmic distance, the universe is alive in that case and the numerical value of one of the most important variables in the Drake equation skyrockets

[–] Des@hexbear.net 43 points 6 days ago

also, news like this is an absolute ray of light right now and I hope it can be verified.

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Add to that that it is really hard to detect planets, even relatively close planets like this one. That would be huge. This is a red dwarf planet tho, so I do have my doubts about there actually being life in any way.

Still, I don't see that as being a galvanizing moment for humanity to try and do something cooperatively. But it would be insanely cool.

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 50 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The cool thing about this situation is that 1) even though the star is a red dwarf, K2-18b is within its relative goldilocks zone, which would provide the right conditions for life as we know it. 2) Scientists detected carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere a few years ago, which is cool but not a revolutionary thing. But now they've detected a LOT of molecules only produced by living organisms (that we know of), mainly phytoplankton, which would be the first detection of its kind in that amount and is a revolutionary thing. 3) Their confidence in the data is 99.7%, and they're releasing the data to the community in a few days for people to verify. Like, unless there's some crazy way for these molecules to be created that defies our current understanding of all of biology, there are living organisms on that planet

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I absolutely agree that this is great news and we might be SO CLOSE to actually finding life somewhere else for the first time.

  1. even though the star is a red dwarf, K2-18b is within its relative goldilocks zone, which would provide the right conditions for life as we know it

The problem with red dwarfs is that the planet has to be close to the star in order to be in the goldilocks zone. That makes it more vulnerable to solar storms and also tidally locks it. That is why finding life here would be an even bigger deal than finding life around a Sun-like main sequence star.

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago

Yeah very good point -- imagine having a light society and a dark society, both with very different evolutions lol it'd be like all the crazy stuff at the bottom of the ocean except just...straight over there

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Like, unless there's some crazy way for these molecules to be created that defies our current understanding of all of biology, there are living organisms on that planet

Defying our current understanding of biology would be pretty neat, too.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If CH4 and H2S are components of the atmosphere you could get methylsulfides from lightning strikes.

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

I'm always cautiously optimistic about news along these lines, but I am choosing to be happy that this appears to be a step father than what we have detected before. If it is determined ths it is likely life, hooray! If it is determined that there are too many other explanations, I'll be a bit let down, but we have at least advanced the science of seeking life on other planets considerably.

This is a new and unique data point, and if it is repeatable and replicable--this is great news.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Personally for me, if verified with a capital V beyond a shadow of a doubt, it would obliterate the doomer tendencies I suffer from, for me it would be a rock solid foundation for general optimism and faith in the long term viability of life

Until then I will file this news under 'scientific curiosity'

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago

Yeah that's light and high beauty territory

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago

News like this always makes me emotional for some reason

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh thank fuck. I wasn't on the 'life is too rare to exist elsewhere in the vast universe" side of the Fermi Paradox, but it's nice having even a minor indicator that even if we totally glass the planet or catch an asteroid the universe won't wind up empty.

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The male urge to have my remains uncovered by an alien species researching how a primitive species sent itself into extinction.

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Everyone fantasizes about being discovered like the guy in Pompeii who went out whacking it, right?

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Are these two seperate news articles? Lmao mfs in the news mega are so bad at posting their sources

It's comical that you cut off the name of the site in the first sceenshot except for a small bit, you were right there at least include the outlet name if not posting a link to the article

che-laugh

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When I posted that initially it was from my phone and the article had literally just posted so I couldn’t post the archived paywall free link I’ll edit the post with a link to the nytimes article

Sowwy! Breaking the news while I’m at work is tough but fixed

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 34 points 6 days ago

I would love for extraterrestrial life to be confirmed in my lifetime. Still, these stories pop up frequently enough that I don't get my hopes up too high

[–] newmou@hexbear.net 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

High levels of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) and dimethyl disulfide (DMDS)! Wow!

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

Let's fucking go! This is super cool, space is really huge and our little rock can have so many problems, but (almost) knowing that we aren't all that's there gives great comfort.

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 33 points 6 days ago

Idk where they got it but I've queued up an NPR Archive

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I for one welcome our new marine algae overlords. May they free us from Capitalism.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

Its still huge because its an oxygen lacking planet with DMS - sigma three detection. Even if it isnt then thats still a massive case for chemistry.

[–] Imnecomrade@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] Arahnya@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

So how do we feel about the great filter hypothesis?

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 17 points 6 days ago

I still think capitalism is the great filter

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Humans are early + the solar system is very very very very unique in its structure. And not to forget how Earth has several very rare properties such as a moon.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago

Humans are incredibly early.

The universe is ~14 billion years old and stars are expected to continue to form for the next 1,000 billion or 100,000 billion years.

To put this in the context of a human lifespan, it's like arriving in the first four days after the universe was born.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A freakishly large moon. Don’t think anywhere else has one as big relative to the planet

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

We have the best moon don't we folks, that's what everyone says, even the phony scientists admit it a-little-trolling

[–] RuthBaderGonesburg@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m more of a Dark Forest man myself

[–] someone@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I lean more towards "we're among the first". It's both hopeful - we could turn out to be the local mighty and powerful The Ancients in the annals of future galactic civilisation - and there's a plausible explanation for us being among the first.

Life as we know it requires a lot of elements heavier than the ones created in the Big Bang. Both for the life itself, and for the planet formation for that life to evolve upon. All we got in the Big Bang was a lot of hydrogen, some helium, and tiny traces of lithium. But we need elements that we now know are only cooked in stars via fusing lighter elements. Either during their lifetimes, or in their death throes. It's plausible that life as we know it was simply impossible in the universe until a few rounds of star formation and star deaths spreading those heavier elements into the universe.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Its also noteworthy that until recently (in galactic evolution pov) our galactic neighbourhood was too unstable for advanced biosignatures. Humans got really lucky and evolved relatively close to the earliest point where intelligent life would be able to thrive.