Would be really helpful if explained in Marxist terms, especially whether first world capital/superprofits are diverted to Israel in amounts not earned by providing services to power, or having Israel around is unprofitable/counterproductive to US aims/interests. Do other countries experience the same?

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[–] leftAF@hexbear.net 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm assuming this is with regards to Israel. It's true in the sense that Israel is supported with billions in cash, arms transfers, logistics, and diplomatic cover and in return elements of the ruling class both in that country and which straddle it and others interfere in US elections in favor of those who facilitate that status quo.

It's a feedback loop like many situations, and there may be a tipping point where the US government tries to credibly round up Mossad and try to blame Israel for official actions of our state - but I've always figured that'd only happen when Nuremberg 2 is at hand.

[–] Fingernail2@hexbear.net 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

elements of the ruling class both in that country and which straddle it and others interfere in US elections in favor of those who facilitate that status quo.

But what does this mean? Do the Israeli bourgeoisie, via the Israeli state, exert enough control over the US state to divert superprofits/capital to Israel that it hasn't earned in terms of services to power.

[–] leftAF@hexbear.net 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say Adelson and Bibi's relationship with Trump and our Congress causes inflation in our lives in excess of whatever "benefit" to imperialism Israel provides. I don't know that Israel as a whole truly benefits, I'd say not really as they're turning it into a coffin with one predictable exit. Purely in terms of profit? Probably not really. Many Israeli military actions in the region have been motivated partly by the manipulation of the price of oil (which had to be bought with dollars for nearly a century and so on). I'm really stoned right now but I think it might be self-evident that insider knowledge about oil futures and such isn't beneficial to the whole of the US society, and I personally doubt very many of the people making these decisions really have any national interests at heart.

[–] Fingernail2@hexbear.net 1 points 21 hours ago

Many Israeli military actions in the region have been motivated partly by the manipulation of the price of oil (which had to be bought with dollars

Interesting.