this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2023
97 points (100.0% liked)

chapotraphouse

13604 readers
809 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.

i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.

and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn't deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!

ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.

idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

An immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party is inadmissible under INA 212(a)(3)(D), unless an exception applies.

Under INA 212(a)(3)(D), an officer must first determine whether the organization in question meets the definition of Communist or any other totalitarian party.

The regulations define the Communist Party as:

-The Communist Party of the United States

-The Communist Political Association

-The Communist Party of any state of the United States, of any foreign state, or of any political or geographical subdivision of any foreign state;

-Any section, subsidiary, branch, affiliate, or subdivision of any such association or party;

-The direct predecessors or successors of any such association or party, regardless of what name such group or organization may have used, may now bear, or may hereafter adopt; and

-Any communist-action or communist-front organization that was required to register under former Section 786 of Title 50 of the U.S. Code, provided that the applicant knew or had reason to believe, while he or she was a member, that such organization was a communist-front organization.[30]

“Any other totalitarian party” is defined as “an organization which advocates the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship or totalitarianism.”[31]

“Totalitarian dictatorship” or “totalitarianism” refer to systems of government not representative in fact, characterized by:

-The existence of a single political party, organized on a dictatorial basis, with so close an identity between such party and its policies and the governmental policies of the country in which it exists, that the party and the government constitute an indistinguishable unit; and

-The forcible suppression of opposition to such party.

After determining that the group in question meets the definition of the Communist or any other totalitarian party, the officer must determine if the person is or has been a member of or affiliated with that group. If the group does not meet the definition, then the person is not inadmissible under this ground.

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait a minute. So people who are inadmissible include those associated with a that forcibly suppresses opposition, but trust us, we're not doing that to communist parties. Don't worry, you can totally trust us!

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

But you see if two parties are doing the oppression it isn't Totalitarian!

[–] DADDYCHILL@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

when the us headhunts for only labor aristocracy and persecuted car salesmen you get a negative feedback loop of people who consider themselves the best and above their countrymen. i want the global south to judge these judas' for abandoning their country. obviously not all are bad but i feel like miami would be a lot emptier if there was some kind of reckoning against reactionary people.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you get a negative feedback loop

Umm akshually you are describing a positive feedback loop 🤓

(I knew what you meant I just couldn't help it)

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or even if the US just allowed those rich gusanos stealing wealth from all over Latin America to be investigated and prosecuted by their home countries for the thefts and corruption that made them into rich Miami gusanos.

The US is the greatest haven for anti-social greedy criminals in the entire world.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Hilariously the CPC does not reach the definition of a Communist party. Nor does those of the DPRK or the former DDR because they tolerate multiple parties.