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i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.

i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.

and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn't deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!

ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.

idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.

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[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire population of North and South America at the start of that project did not exceed a hundred million, and the vast majority of it was in central and southern America. There were not hundreds of millions of people in the US to kill.

Very possibly, every native American living within the modern borders of the US from 1400 to today might have totalled a hundred million, but the colonial project didn't kill literally every one of them.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This source supports me as far as I can tell.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Research by some scholars provides population estimates of the pre-contact Americas to be as high as 112 million in 1492

To get that down to the population remaining today you would have to have killed hundreds of millions of people.

You do understand that people have children right?

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You:

The European colonial project that built the US killed literally hundreds of millions of people in the US alone

Your source places the highest estimates for a north American population at seven million. Most likely it was half that. "Hundreds of millions of people in the US alone" is what I am contesting.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In that timespan, imperialism killed hundreds of millions of indigenous people in the Americas, and that was all necessary to building the US empire. There is no disputing that.