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Good post, Madison Cawthorn
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Hope I don't get banned for this, but like can someone explain to me exactly why this shit is funny and there's no nuance around it? Like, you can mourn the Muslim lives lost due to American Imperialism AND mourn the lives of the people who had fuck all to do with any of that? Like the janitors in the building for example? Like I get it fuck the state but for it to be something people post about and laugh at all day long is hard for me to grock. What if it was your family that died?
I'm not trying to argue anything or get in a struggle session around it but like, I'm just surprised that I haven't really seen any kind of pushback or critique around making that big of a joke of this.
it is in poor taste, but for those who came of age post-9/11, that one day was used as a cudgel for years by the worst types of people for the flimsiest appeals to patriotism. the flag humpers and such. also, state sanctioned violence (evictions, unaffordable health care, covid 'rules') have killed millions more than that one attack. it was a matter of america's chickens coming home to roost, as
would say
and there's no nuance around it?
The fact that the whole ordeal was a giant fucking tragedy caused by American imperialism is funny for that reason, not because those people are dead.
That is the nuanced take.
I think that everyone here does have a nuanced take on this, don't get me wrong - many of you appear to be much smarter/well read than I am at this point. I just thought it was kinda weird to log on and just see a bunch of lulz with no other discussion from anyone at all; but I guess that's because you've had this conversation before. That said, there are people who would totally joke about this without having that nuance so I was just making sure I didn't enter the twilight zone or something lol.
I don’t want to speak for everyone but I’ll say this for myself.
After being told for over 20 years that I should still be morning these people and for the same amount of time our foreign policy hasn’t gotten any better, in fact it’s worse just makes me angry. They died and we’re worse as a country for it. It makes me deeply sad, but at some point the sadness just became a bitter sense of humor I reckon as a defense mechanism so I didn’t truly descend into madness.
Or in other words, it jokerfied me.
Lollllll jokerfied. I think how you phrased this resonates with me. The anger and furiousness can only last so long so it turns to gallows humor.
man this day has been the national meme holiday for about a decade, I'm shocked this is your first encounter with it
Not my first encounter but I think the most posts I've seen about it back to back. Makes sense it's on hexbear though lol
heh yeah we do it up
fuck patriots and fuck patriotism. america is shit and if you love it you're complicit.
Thanks for that. I think I have very similar sentiments about it all but yeah just how extreme the lulz go makes me feel uncomfy but I get it. It's not like I've never said "happy 9/11 day" lol