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Since you invoked whataboutism first by bringing up Russia, allow me to invoke whataboutism of my own. Supporting Russia is morally superior to supporting the United States. There is no possible way for you refute this using evidence. While America was engaged in illegal wars of aggression against what, I believe SEVEN different countries under Obama, none of you liberals that supposedly love democracy ever once advocated for the complete and total economic and social isolation of America from the rest of the world until they resolved their authoritarian issues. You NEVER speak about America and its allies with the vitriol you reserve for Russia, China, and Iran, who all commit significantly less violence upon the world COMBINED than America does alone.
Thank you, I’m a fellow hexbear who supports Russia for all its imperfections. I’m also Jewish so I’m happy with almost anyone mercing Nazis. Americans likewise have no right to criticize any other country, and saying that both sides are equally bad merely helps the aggressor, which anyone with an awareness of history prior to 2022 knows is amerikkka.
Western communists should also realize that a clear NATO defeat in Ukraine could create new opportunities for us in our own countries, while I think we all know that a NATO victory will lead to more of the same fucking bullshit.
Lol please point to what you understand as “whataboutism” in what I said
We're talking about Ukraine's obvious Nazi problem and you said this:
This is classic whataboutism, a well known Soviet Communist Disinformatsiya technique. No one is saying Russia isn't bad, but bringing that up doesn't excuse what this conversation is about; it just distracts and provides cover for Ukrainian Nazis.
You brought up Russia unprompted.
It says a lot that you managed to ignore everything else I said though. Please explain why in your comment, you made it seem like supporting Russia would be wrong. Keep in mind that your criticisms of Russia must make Russia's actions worse than the actions of the United States. If criticizing Russia's enemies means supporting Russia, then criticizing America's enemies means supporting America, who is a greater evil to the world than Russia could hope to be. So from my POV and most people here, supporting Russia and criticizing their enemies simply makes more sense for leftists to be doing.
Progressive Liberals that think they're leftists will claim they don't support democrats but do everything they can to keep them in power because they're the lesser evil to Trump and Republicans. I don't want to simply assume for you that you follow "lesser evil" logic in politics, but if you do, you must admit that it is logical to support the lesser evil of Russia, China, and Iran against America, the most bloodthirsty empire in human history.