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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I often can't believe some Japanese guy thought of this and was ok with making it. Like, really dude?

Then I think of some American guy who wrote the book "It".

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

[CW: child SA]

spoilerJAPANESE CHARACTER AFTER JERKING OFF IN FRONT OF A COMATOSE GIRL: "God I'm so fucked up"

AMERICAN CHARACTERS AFTER HAVING A CHILD GANGBANG: "This was totally a necessary scene"

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago

American author being interviewed about writing that scene: "I wrote that? Jesus I need to quit cocaine!"

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

done

pls don't banish me to the corgi dimension soviet-bottom

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

pls banish me to the corgi dimension soviet-playful

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In the corgi dimension all the corgis are on the other side of a wall with only a small narrow window to look through so you can't even see that many of them at once

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

We have such stumpers to show you, bark bark

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Do people argue that that scene in It is necessary? Cuz I've never seen it included in any adaptation or reference (thank god)

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Does that really happen in the anime? I watched the anime series (no movies) and I don't remember it at all thankfully.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's in the End of Evangelion movie. It's not in the TV series, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the comic.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What comic? Eva wasn't based on a comic

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This one.

The comic technically started release first, but didn't finish until like 2013. It has little differences throughout, and it's ending is pretty similar to EoE. If you are into the franchise enough to watch the rebuild movies, it's probably worth a quick read.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I cut things off at EoE. That and the series are a full story and I ain't need more.

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[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think cocaine wrote more of "It" than Stephen King did.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't let Dr. Rockso write a novel.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That novel would just be a collection of times that he did cocaine

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Less terrible than IT's notorious sewer scene then. sicko-wholesome

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

tbh every time I worry I'm writing something that's too weird for people and everyone will think I'm weird for writing it I should probably remember that that scene went through a bunch of drafts and multiple rounds of editing before being published a bunch of times and the novel sold like hotcakes and spawned multiple film versions and stop worrying

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I think the publisher assumed nobody would get to that scene cuz who the fuck is going to read that big of a book about a murderous clown?

[–] Prometheus@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The explanation I've always heard was that it was his response to otakus jerking off to anime characters. I.e. women who can't hurt you with rejection. This is who he sees them as.

From an article in which he is interviewed:

Anno understands the Japanese national attraction to characters like Rei as the product of a stunted imaginative landscape born of Japan’s defeat in the Second World War. “Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains, seeming interested in his own words for the first time during our interview. “Since that time, the education we received is not one that creates adults. Even for us, people in their 40s, and for the generation older than me, in their 50s and 60s, there’s no reasonable model of what an adult should be like.” The theory that Japan’s defeat stripped the country of its independence and led to the creation of a nation of permanent children, weaklings forced to live under the protection of the American Big Daddy, is widely shared by artists and intellectuals in Japan. It is also a staple of popular cartoons, many of which feature a well-meaning government that turns out to be a facade concealing sinister and more powerful forces.

Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. “I don’t see any adults here in Japan,” he says, with a shrug. “The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that’s what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children.”

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Holy SHIT that is a reactionary ass take.

"Waaa we can't murder and kill people for our fascist country and that's why people read Dragon Ball in the subway." grow the fuck up dude, not a single functional adult cares about someone reading Dragon Ball in the subway.

I mean, most functional adults care about people reading pornography in the subway, but the misogynistic norms that imperial Japan ~~probably I don't know history that well~~ reproduced had a lot more to do with that being a thing than any vague non-materialistic idea that not being able to have a standing army magically lead to people acting like children.

Also who cares if they're "children", ffs. Not a remotely materially relevant thing. Just a vague distaste for someone's vibes.

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

“Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains

They lost it to China and the Soviet Union. But maybe losing the inter-imperialist rivalry hit them different.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 50 points 11 months ago

The Americans occupied them and rebuilt them into the neoliberal monstrosity they are today.

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The US specifically wanted to avoid the Soviets from entering the Pacific Front because they didn't want them having any possible claims to Japan and potentially having to split the land akin to Europe. Pretty quickly after the US occupation there was a sizable communist movement seeking to gain power through election where they expected the US to hold up their public statements of freedom and democracy. In the end though the US cracked down on the leadership and essentially destroyed the movement. Though pretty pathetic now, the Japanese communist party still receives a decent chunk of the vote, though obviously nothing to actually disrupt the neoliberal hell.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the US specifically asked the soviet union to enter the war in the pacific at the Yalta Conference

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Thanks. Didn't know this.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

The admin was still under FDR at Yalta. Truman was on a very different page than FDR about the Soviets, which led to dropping nuclear weapons to end the war before Soviets could get more involved in the Pacific

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

i think destroying the fleet of an island nation and blockading it was pretty major when japans armies were overseas

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The difference is that Evangelion is actually good unlike anything King ever wrote

[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

King is hit or miss but by sheer quantity he has more great books than many writers in their whole catalogue

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

A large quantity of bad books does not make him a good author

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

The Dark Tower series is fantastic. Also, you're in a definite minority. Steven King is well known as one of the greatest authors alive. He's wrote duds but much of his work is regarded as great, like Pet Cemtary, Christine, and Salems Lot.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

I read The Shining and The Green Mile and they both sucked ass + L + tchncs.de user

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I get that you have fond memories of reading his books but "one of the greatest authors alive"? Really? It's horror schlock for teenagers, it's fun but it's not this groundbreaking literature you're making it out to be.

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[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Steven King is well known as one of the greatest authors alive

Your argument would be more persuasive if you knew how to spell his name :)

He has a book On Writing that is very, very good. He goes through his writing process, discusses other authors, gives advice of the trade, etc. He openly admits he's merely okay/good at writing and that there's eons of better authors than him. He is being humble, but he's not the greatest writer alive by any means. He talks a lot about luck, name recognition, etc. that continue to propel him, and other shit ass authors, ahead.

The Dark Tower series is fantastic.

Dark Tower rules. I still think Complete/Uncut The Stand is, bar none, the best shit he's ever written without a doubt. I haven't got to Fairy Tale yet tho.

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The Dark Tower series is fantastic

i keep hearing this but i swear king has the dullest writing style of any author i've ever read. i suffered through the entire first book and when i got to the end all i could think was that i had picked up the wrong book by mistake bc there's no way people could be lavishing praise on that shit

to each their own ofc but king feels like one of those authors whose work is conceptually interesting but terribly executed imo

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

See the turtle, ain’t he keen? All things serve the fuckin’ Beam.

I do love the DT as a series, but I certainly like some books more than others. The Gunslinger and Wizard and Glass are among my favorite fiction novels, while I’m not crazy about of Song of Susannah.

And the patron saint of Hexbear, Matt Christman, is a Dark Tower fan.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Stephen King struggle session! Stephen King struggle session!

I’m not going to defend that part of It, of course. And he’s written a ton of crap that tends to follow along with when he got sober (good for him, but bad for his writing). But I gotta say, books like The Stand, ’Salem’s Lot, The Shining, and the first 4 Dark Tower books especially 1 and 4…. more than any other books I’ve read, I was unable to put them down. Like, I would try and find time on the toilet or waiting around some to find out what happens next. He absolutely knew how to tell an engaging story. And as someone else said, like him or not he defined the modern horror genre.

[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

i'll say one thing for king
he sure is prolific

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

The Shining sucks actually, it is very bad and not good.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Tbf the whole point of that movie is that Shinji is a horrible person who ends up totally broken due to his inability to even try and confront any of his demons.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago

That movie was an anime series with a few repeat like filler movies made afterwards, but yeah.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Shinji is a horrible person who ends up totally broken due to his inability to even try and confront any of his demons.

Or he's a very traumatized child who has been thrust into an extremely unhealthy environment, and manipulated every step of the way, and that eventually breaks him. I'm not saying he's a great person, but it's pretty clear that he never stood a chance from the get-go. He still chose to do what he did in that scene, but it's not done in isolation with everything else he's been through.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think the show ever sympathized with Shinji. Well, at least I don’t sympathize with him and I didn’t interpret the show that way.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago

Nah. Shinji was definitely not someone to be sympathized with.