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I wholeheartedly agree with you. I appreciate that the US is a special case w.r.t. the proliferation of guns, and you can't hocus the guns out of socialist cops and expect great results if wider society is still armed.
That being said, I think China is such a great example precisely because it's one of very few countries that have disarmed police (within a wider disarmed society) an obviously humane policy with a great effect.
Nobody here is arguing that having your beat cops not armed to teeth is a bad idea, this conversation started with a comment stating that Bakunin’s quote is a good sentiment and that we don’t want proletarian cops. We do need proletarian cops and that’s a brute fact, their various specifics of tiered armaments is not the subject of discussion - their very existence is.
Bakunin thinks there should be no people’s stick. This is deluded. We must wield the people’s stick to suppress the bourgeoisie out of existence.
Bakunin wants no proletarian cops whatsoever right, no armed bodies of men enforcing state violence? That’s a bad, idealist sentiment and not a realistic or revolutionary one. Such bodies will exist and must exist. It does us no favors to play word games to pretend we have abolished police when we haven’t and sets people up for disillusionment when the revolution doesn’t instantly create anarcho-communism without any legal enforcers.