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Sure, my point is not that though.
My point is that, even at the time, antisemites had always supported Israel and now sitting here and citing Stalin's (debatable) support for Israel as proof of Marxism/USSR not being antisemitic is simply not a good point of evidence. I agree, I don't understand why it has to get complicated? Even if USSR had good intentions, using that as proof against Leftists today arguing that there was antisemitism in USSR/Marxism just won't work well.
If we take a counterfactual and pretend that Stalin vehemently opposed the creation of Israel, would this be better as a point of evidence that Communists are not antisemitic? I don't think so. I think that if that were the case, it would be a widely used example by anti-communists that Communists are antisemitic, since they opposed the creation of a Jewish state in the wake of the Holocaust.
Unironically, yes, it would be better.
There are also other comments saying Stalin did not support Israel but was pushed to by Zionist people in the USSR before reversing course.
And the point isn't about how anti-Communists interpret anything, they interpret anything and everything in bad faith so they're irrelevant. There's someone here saying there was antisemitism in USSR/Marxist circles (NOT my argument, by the way) when you responded with the proof that it isn't the case because, among other things, Stalin helped found Israel. My argument is that is not a good piece of evidence there and you probably shouldn't use it in the future if you don't want to make yourself and USSR look particularly bad.