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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago (12 children)

you just create a story about how it was actually not an LGBT center, but rather an undercover CIA spy center

Lol, lmao. Deeply unserious liberals either truly don't understand (or just support) the extent to which their Empire subjugates, interferes and attempts to destroy other nations because of ideology and geopolitics. You have no idea how evil the US empire is, and what it does to maintain it's brutal hegemony over the rest of the developing world.

[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 7 months ago (11 children)

I know that powerful governments operate various illegal places in other countries to serve their needs. China even admitted operating some illegal "police stations" in my country after they shut those down themselfs, and I have no doubts taht the USA does similar things. However, I haven't found any sources about this place being operated by US government. Maybe I'm bad at research, but no one from those claiming it was that provided any source either. The person in the second screenshot even says that they're just guessing. When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don't immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.

It's was the same in the thread I mentioned about China blocking access to lemmy.ml: there were definitely even some hexbear users criticizing China's censorship, but there were also multiple tankies writing essays about how the censoring is actually necessary because of capitalist propaganda (is lemmy.ml an US propaganda website?) and just doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it. I know I'm using the words "mental gymnastics" too much now, but I just can't see any better naming for some of the comments out there. So, it's not just about this particular LGBT center, it's about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing. Isn't that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it's actions, because they do the justification themselves?

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Who the fuck cares if China censors Lemmy? You fucks pretend like VPNs are not a common thing in China. If people want to get here, they will find a way.

It's not a good or bad thing, it just doesn't particularly matter.

[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 7 months ago (6 children)

China is heavily censoring internet and you fucks pretend that it's actually a good thing. If they're living so well you all pretend, they would clearly see all those western propaganda articles lying about them and not believe them.

[–] wild_dog@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for your valuable insight

[–] wild_dog@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

take a lap, dork.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

God you don't even understand what the intention is with the firewall do you? Its to prevent companies like Google using it's global network and capital to monopolize services in China. Why do you think it is that China has such a robust local tech sector? Because they do not allow shit like Google so they can promote their own solutions. Its why alibaba does cloud computing, why WeChat is the everything app, and why Huawei is their leading phone brand.

And guess what? The US engages in the same fucking shit. The only reason you don't recognize that is because the US dominates the world tech market. Huawei phones were band for federal use, and you have to import them if you want one. Tiktok is under threat for the same reason, it's eating home grown social media apps for lunch.

There is a fucking reason why China has had consistent year after year GDP growth. Its the same reason the USSR had a consistent GDP growth after the October revolution, and why they went from a feudal system to the fucking solar system in 40 years. They have a better command over their economy. US capital does whatever it wants and its like pulling teeth to get it to do anything for the national good. Meanwhile, China is ripe with innovations and they leverage their command over their economy to set hard priorities and goals nationally.

Censorship is a western reductionist viewpoint, a thought terminating notion, a fucking brain worm.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

CGTN was literally banned in the UK. Just this week the German police prevented a Palestine conference from going ahead and banned a leftist Greek politician (Yanis Varoufakis) from entering the country, as well as banning his participation in any conferences via virtual appearance, permanently. Don't pretend the west does not practice censorship.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If China didn't 'censor' the internet they never would have developed their own technology sector and there would be only one worldwide monopoly for search, social media, ect. You want to live in that world?

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You say that with the moral presumption that "censorship is bad", when in reality it is just a tool. Every single country does it, there is no value in the way you are treating it. The US wanting to ban TikTok falls into the same category. If Brasil, my country, decides to ban twitter in the coming days because Elon is trying to mess with us by not banning users that are breaking the law, it would be censorship, but it would also also be sending a message to Musk and the US that we won't accept this kind of shit.

Besides that, like the person you're replying to already said, VPNs are very common in China, the government does not give a fuck if you want to access the parts of the internet that are banned there.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You stupid fucks are hilarious. Learn to not be an illiterate fuck. The internet censorship is not about information control, as I said, VPNs are a common enough thing in China, it's about the ability to domestically develop and control internet structures the way the U.S. does. If people want to interact with the U.S. internet, it is but a click away.

One of the more interesting drawbacks of the censorship of the Chinese Internet is that the average Chinese person has absolutely no idea how racist, belligerent and backwards-thinking most Americans are because they don't interact with them online. They, on average, want us to 'succeed and prosper' as they have, and don't tell themselves stories about how badly we're doing or how stupid we are in order to make themselves feel better. They understand how this whole 'capitalism' thing is supposed to work far better than we do and so they don't care about.competeing, and they realize that it is a competition, but they think it should be friendly. After all, that's good for business, right, you liberal schmuck?

All I do is pay them the same common courtesy that they pay me.

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