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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 60 points 5 months ago

Everything is "pre engineered" that's just called design.

And they're not engineered for habitation they're engineered to transport goods that aren't sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you're talking refrigerated ones but I don't know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)

Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn't mean you should build a house out of them.

[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn't mean you should build a house out of them.

We should totally build houses out of pallets and force the rich to live in them though

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

They love stocks, so they should LOVE the stockades!

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

Damnit I was spoiling cabbage to throw at the rich but now it just turned into delicious kimchee

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Everything is "pre engineered" that's just called design.

Counterpoint: Groverhaus

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

That was architect'd not engineered.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

I hate architects as much as the next guy but I'm still pretty sure no architect'd'ing has gone into groverhaus

[-] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

My comment was meant to further the conversation. Yours was meant to stop the conversation.

I can build a shipping container house that will fit on a price of leased property. I cannot build a pallet house at all.

I have gone back and forth on container homes. At the moment I see a place for them.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago

That's because it's a stupid conversation.

You know what else you cana build a house with.

Building materials.

And it won't be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.

20 years with very large portion of it on the sea exposed to the elements and with minimal to no maintenance. That's a very damn important detail

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

Oh yea I'm sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.

[-] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

1,) No, I cannot.

  1. shipping containers are not 100sqft.

  2. they aren't 120degrees.

  3. I have never seen one collapse on itself.

Either you are ignorant or disingenuous.

[-] Yllych@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

To put it plainly, shipping containers can get hot. Really hot. One study of wine shipments found that containers traveling between Australia and the US reached a maximum temperature of 122 degrees Fahrenheit (50 degrees Celsius) while at sea.[1]

Another study conducted by engineers at Xerox found that temperatures in shipping containers on land can drop as low as -21ºF (-29ºC) and reach as high as 135 degrees Fahrenheit (57ºC).[2] The researchers found that the greatest temperature fluctuations occur on land, though containers traveling by sea are still subject to intense heat.

https://epgna.com/how-hot-do-shipping-containers-get/

[-] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

Certainly they can get really hot in certain conditions. I do t think that is very relevant to the actual living conditions, but I have a small sample size. The ones I have seen have been pretty efficient.

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

Oh you're the guy who is like "certain conditions" like you've never in your life encountered a hot car in the summer

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

"Certain conditions" like "the sun being out"

You don't think the fact the internal temperature fluctuates between 125 and -21 degrees is relevant to living conditions?

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  1. If you can afford a shipping container you can afford a greater amount of building material for the same price, your complete lack of construction ability doesn't make them a better option.

  2. Standard shipping containers are either 20 or 40 by 8 exterior dimensions. So if you have exactly zero modifications or internal walls, so zero hvac electrical or plumbing and one open space you have about 200sq ft if it's on level ground which this isn't.

  3. Your right it's actually higher than that as other people have cited. You literally responded to that comment describing the sun shining on them as "in certain conditions"

  4. I've never seen a house built out of pallets collapse. It's almost like anecdotal evidence isn't worth a shit. The stated life expectancy from manufactures is 20 years if properly maintained and unmodified.

Thank you for being rhe best possible example of how this seems like a good idea if you're a complete fucking moron with zero construction experience, knowledge or ability.

[-] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

This isn't an improv group.

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