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submitted 9 months ago by axont@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Every chud in my life is obsessed with someone breaking into their house and the situation being resolved with the discharge of a firearm. And these are people living in low crime areas out in the suburbs, with no pedestrians. It's frustrating to talk with these people since their whole worldview is a racist panic over some imagined brown interloper invading their white fortresses.

One of my coworkers tells me he always pulls out his Glock to check the corners when he comes home in the evening. Another has a CCTV system and an AR15 by his bed. I personally don't own a gun anymore because I don't trust myself with one, and chuds will ask me what I'll do if some mentally unwell person high on amphetamines decided to enter my apartment. I guess I'd leave or call an ambulance? It seems so unlikely of a scenario that even if I had a firearm I probably wouldn't use it right, or even register this person as a threat quickly enough to do a John Wick style takedown.

How many home invasions are actually stopped this way? Do chuds all think they're Robocop?

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[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 85 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My mom got really paranoid when they installed a speed bump in front of her house in the lower-middle income neighborhood she used to live in because it would make all the thieves drive by slower and think about all the stuff inside that they could steal.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] TheRealChrisR@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

Clickhole had a meme saying pedos LOVED school zones cause they could check out all the hot kidz and to share this meme to change the speed limit to 85 mph outside schools.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

One time my aunt got mad that the city had to cut down a small line of trees because of possible fires or something. Maybe it was the roots were getting into the road? I don't remember. She wasn't mad because she liked the trees, but because it meant that several houses were now visible from the main street, as in, now visible from the poor/black side of town. My aunt said the same thing as your mom, that potential thieves driving home could now see the roofs of white people's homes and figure out which they wanted to steal from.

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[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 69 points 9 months ago

One of my coworkers tells me he always pulls out his Glock to check the corners when he comes home in the evening. Another has a CCTV system and an AR15 by his bed.

these people should be removed from society and helped
that is a dangerous level of paranoia

[-] axont@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

From experience this seems like the floor for paranoia required to be a white person in American suburbs where nothing happens. Re-eduaction can't come fast enough for these people.

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[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, my sister.

She lives in an "upper middle class" yuppie suburb where we grew up, but I moved away years ago.

She gives me updates on what it's like, and she describes it like it's mad max now. She says there are bands of roving weirdos, and there are now no-go zones that the police have declared lawless.

I ask my brother what she's on about, and he has no idea. I went to visit recently and it seemed same as it ever was lol

Conservative media really do be melting brains

[-] axont@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Actively rewriting people's realities as they're experiencing it. A family member of mine recently went up to Seattle and described it in post-apocalyptic terms too. Said there's open warfare in the streets and people shooting heroin in broad daylight. Said he saw no less than a dozen burning buildings on an average day. I went on youtube later that day to watch some recent videos of people around Seattle and it seemed like any other American urban area. Seemed kind of nice actually.

One of my cousins did a roadtrip back in like 2017 and claimed he got stopped by "antifa checkpoints" several times throughout Colorado lmao. Just utter derangement, telling exaggerated campfire stories that wouldn't be believed in middle school

I don't even know what to call this. White people wanting to feel like they're on the bad end of the stick? Hallucinations? A strong desire to do racist pogroms on false pretenses of riots?

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

I have to imagine it's some kind of coping strategy for precarity. People in the suburbs are scared to death of losing what they have and having to live among the lower classes. So they project these fears as poor violent minorities coming to take what they have as opposed to the accurate view of economic decline that's actually pushing them to live among the lower class

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

anxiety about class precarity is as old as the ascendance of the bourgeoisie. a hereditary nobility always had their place simply by birth---even if they became cash-poor, but a burgher losing their wealth forfeits their social standing. early bourgeois-ruled places like Venice actually recreated that hereditary security with a hereditary citizenship that was frozen and required legislative approval to admit new persons/families

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

stopped by "antifa checkpoints" several times

no no it was true antifa did used to stop travellers and force them to take free weed and propagate weed legalization back then, i still have my orders from antifa headquarters, framed.

[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

People do be doing heroin in broad daylight but otherwise that's all nonsense

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

She says there are bands of roving weirdos, and there are now no-go zones that the police have declared lawless.

She means the country club is lowering fees and the cops aren’t arresting the boat salesman who scammed her

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

One of my coworkers tells me he always pulls out his Glock to check the corners when he comes home in the evening

Propagandizing yourself daily lmao.

The only thing I worry about is if shit ever hits the fan and THEY have weapons while I don't. But I also do not trust myself to own guns.

My house actually was invaded once though....... By a 5 year old autistic child

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

My home was once invaded by a dorky little beagle who was famous across the neighborhood for escaping his yard all the time

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

I'll handle this cantankerous pup, come here you little mutt and get a smooch

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

My coworker went on to say he has a Glock in the first place because they don't have safeties, so he can "shoot first." I guess disengaging a safety wastes precious milliseconds. (For people who don't know guns, handguns normally have a button on the side that will prevent the trigger from firing, so you can safely keep it in a holster or something. Glocks don't have this button and it's stupid)

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

Glocks have what's called a trigger safety. It's a little lever on the trigger that has to be depressed for the gun to fire. It's very effective; Unless someone deliberately puts their finger on the trigger and pulls its extremely unlikely for the gun to go off if it's dropped or in any kind of accident. Modern guns rarely if ever go off if they're dropped. Many can not due to their design.

The advantage of the trigger safety over other safeties is that it prevents the gun from going off accidentally while allowing the user to fire. This solves the problem of having to actuate a small button or lever during a stressful situation. It has an additional advantage - The trigger safety is always on. If the gun is cocked and ready to fire then the trigger safety is active. With a conventional safety once you turn it off it remains off until you turn it on again. The trigger safety re-sets as soon as you take your finger off the trigger. If you drop the gun after firing the trigger safety is on and will prevent the gun going off accidentally.

Safeties are entirely intended to prevent dangerous accidents. To prevent a gun from being used it's generally best to get a cable-lock that threads up through the magazine well, then through the action, and it then locked in place. This prevents the action from being closed which in turn prevents the gun firing. There's way way to get around this without opening the lock or cutting the cable.

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[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago

I am absolutely serious about home defence, that's why I've fortified it using a defence in depth strategy. While any intruders are mired in the landmines and barbed wire belts strewn across ~~the street~~ my outer perimeter I can launch flanking counter attacks from my neighbours garage which I have annexed to improve my defensive posture. Should these counter attacks fail to repel the intruders I am prepared to fall back to my second line of defence in the entryway, ready to call down artillery on the pre-sighted grid squares in my front lawn. My final line of defence is centred around my garden shed, which I have fortified and surrounded with further minefields. I have attempted to expand my defence lines into the park behind my house but lack the force necessary to confront the city in open battle.

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago

This mfer doesn't even have a moat with sharks lmao,

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I know a couple people personally who actually got home invaded.

One was a nightshifter who was asleep when people were robbing empty houses midday. He woke from dead asleep, was too tired to figure out how to fire his rifle, and just ended up clubbing the guy with it.

The other one was a dealer and his gf. He wasn't home, but would have been armed. She was home and got the shit beat out of her.

If he had been home, i'm convinced both of them would have been shot dead. Because the 6 guys who showed up definitely had a plan, were organized, and I saw them run off and they were all strapped.

Which is all just to say, it doesn't really go down like you expect it to. You're alllways gonna get caught backfooted because the invader will be prepared and you won't. The guys who fantasize about that never seem to get that reality.

Edit: also, so many of the steven segal wannabes who fantasize about this aren't even living in the sorts of areas where this actually happens.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

I always think of that scene from snatch with these suburban gun guys who own weapons for “protection”

“Protection from who Tommy? Ze Germans?”

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[-] KittyBobo@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

It's something I'm worried about but specifically I'm worried about people thinking I'm too gay looking or something and trying to lynch me. I've had some weird and scary interactions with people up on the mountain where my parents live.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah this is a much more legitimate worry to have and a good reason to have a firearm and training. Not to make you more worried though meow-hug

I have a trans flag on my bike and I sometimes get worried I'll go out of the store to find it's been vandalized and someone's hiding nearby to beat me up. Most I've gotten is dirty looks tho

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago

My dad installed a CCTV system that cost several hundred dollars.

He lives in a gated community.

At the end of the street, with other houses that have boats outside while my parents' has nothing that would call the attention.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago

He lives in a gated community.

maybe his threat model is teens with parents incapable of loving them

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

Cameras are such a weird phenomena.

Like great, you got blurry footage of someone walking back and forth. Now you can give your blurry footage to teh cops, who won't do anything with it bc they don't give a shit.

idk, home security is dumb. Get a reinforced kick-plate, put things you'd prefer not to be stolen out of sight, that's pretty much all you can do. All the rest of it is just hyping yourself up.

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[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

yea, my dad my entire life lol. He has one of the most advanced cases of suburban psychosis i've ever seen. He came to help my partners mom with some stuff and they live a normal lower-mid middle class neighborhood and his ass was freaking out like someone was gonna just walk up and break into his car. (we've always been poor btw, their neighborhood is way nicer than anything i grew up in)

When we were growing up he picked a closet and removed the doorknob and replaced it with a deadbolt and would stash shit in there. Anytime we went anywhere hed make me put all my guitars in there lol.

He didn't keep an ar15 by his bed but he did have a 22 rifle.

The last house we lived in together had french doors that he'd always bar with wood and i remember him yelling at me up and down bc i left the house one day without setting up his elaborate jerry-rigged system of wood boards to keep people out 🙄

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

Oh yea my last boss was one of the biggest dumbest chuds I've ever met. Legit thought my coworker wasn't coming back when he took a vacation to Mexico.

He always talked about how he leaves his door open because he hopes someone tries to break in cus "then they'd have to deal with him"

Really don't think they'd have too much trouble dealing with the 60 year old guy who went straight to the bar after work before going home to fall asleep drunk in his recliner watching fox news at full volume.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

The news wouldn't shut up about youth crime so now my boomer parents think they're going to be broken into all the time

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[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

My house was invaded by a cute kitty once

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Most burglaries are done during day time when people are at work. And a lot of them are targeted based on external factors like car decals and home accessories (signs, flags) that scream “GUN HERE!!”

I do have a home security system (currently a corpo cloud crap, trying to experiment with FOSS solutions) but it’s mainly because I’m not going to walk to me peep hole to check who’s ringing only to walk away because I don’t know them. I rather just check on my phone while in bed. There have been about 3 instances where guys were trying to scope out my place and even walked into my garage to look around. But no action was taken by either of us

Sometimes when I driving home at night I do get a bit paranoid when I see the same car on my tail the entire time, so I’ll take some detours to see what’s up. But that’s mainly because I’m more afraid of zionists and the feds and not some crip breaking into my home.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

I do appreciate all my fascist neighbors who leave stickers on their car indicating that there are pooly secured firearms in their house. You know, just in case.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So I know that the real answers are about, like, liberalism, castle doctrine, yeomen fantasies, racist fearmongering in the news and popular culture, the extreme normalization of violence through many facets of society, etc., but you made me remember about how there's a genre of home security system ads (mostly from the same company, formerly Brinks, now Broadview) that are incredibly exploitative.

And here's an SNL parody of the same ad that I wouldn't call "good" because only one episode of SNL in the last decade has had good skits (and even that episode had more bad skits than good ones), but the video in question does at least do a good enough job of drawing the viewer's attention to how fucked up the original ad is.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

Oh god, you're probably right about this. Suburban white idiots must be getting extremely targeted ads about home security or something. Like in the 90s if you knew a guy with a CCTV system in his house, he was either a paranoid conspiracy theorist or a guy in a mansion who sells cocaine. Now it seems like it's pretty normal for upwardly mobile conservatives to deck their little McMansions out with cameras, security lights, whatever.

One time I was using a VPN once and youtube gave me some kind of targeted ad for gas masks, and the assumption in the ad seemed to be that a sudden apocalyptic disaster was imminent, so I'd better have a gas mask within my safe room. It was wild and opened my eyes to what kind of bizarre panicked rhetoric a lot of upper-middle class conservatives are getting.

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Childish "shooting bad guys" fantasies aside, i feel like these people rarely think about how much it sucks to clean up blood. God help you if you have carpet or if the laquer on your wood floor is worn through. Never getting your deposit back.

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

I literally have nothing to steal, my phone is years old. My laptop is even older. My tv in my kitchen is from like 2010. I'm poor as fuck all they could steal are some grocery gift cards.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

Yeah this is what I told my chud coworkers too. I have nothing worth stealing. My most valuable things are my Trek bike, some commie books, and my cats (I love them). Anyone attempting home burglary on me would walk in, get disappointed, then leave. My TV is a CRT with my 20 year old Sega Dreamcast hooked up to it.

Unless I get home invaded by the nerdiest burglar in the world, there's nothing they'd want

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Sick set up for the dreamcast though.

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[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

My house has been invaded over 700 times. I have in my mono-armory : self-dense uchigatana, self-desfense aluminum bat, self-defense battle sledge (30 lbs.), self-defense double-cannister bear spray, and the much-needed self-defense flamethrower.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

I do have a home invasion plan, but it's mostly a really bright flashlight and telling people "Hey we don't call the cops here but please don't break my stuff". I do need to re-up my pepper spray, though. It's past it's sell by.

Folks are much, much more likely to hurt themselves in a firearms accident than they are to ever stop a home invasion with a gun. And in almost every situation pepper spray is better at convincing people they don't want to be in a fight tonight than guns are.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

Maybe I don't know the actual stats, but a home invader coming at night is either going to be a scared amateur teenager or someone with a mental illness who is lost and confused. That's what my gut tells me at least. Both of those cases seem like I could handle them by just yelling, then calling a paramedic if it's someone on a bad trip. Experienced burglars are gonna wait until the house is empty before breaking in, right?

And people breaking in random houses just to murder the occupants seems so bizarrely unlikely to me. I'm an American so much more likely to die in a mass shooting at a Walmart, not my own home.

Also you're right. Do not call the cops, ever. Fuck cops.

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[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

One of my coworkers tells me he always pulls out his Glock to check the corners when he comes home in the evening

deranged as fuck. I wouldn't trust this person with anything.

[-] jhulten@infosec.pub 22 points 9 months ago

If you have a gun by your bed, but not a fire extinguisher...

Really just get a fire extinguisher by your bed.

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[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

I'm obsessed with invading homes, do you want to see my kit?

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

I know one guy who I think only does it to try to convince others he's a badass.

True chads just have imaginary anime fights in their heads while looking out the window.

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[-] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

i am non-straight in an american suburb, i wish i had a gun, not for 'home invaders' or 'druggies' but to give the local neo-nazi groups (there are several nazi groups where i live, expecially traditional catholic youth workers party or some shit has buildings everywhere in a nearby city) and cops (same picture i know) something to consider if they start thinking about rounding up the gays and leftists. i've had transphobic marches outside the gas station convenience store my friends work at. other of their coworkers have had stalker problems. i personally have several ex-friends who turned out to be abusers that i cut off contact with, and i worry one of them will come after me someday after something doesn't go right for them.

i don't think i'd be john wick though, i just want to take one with me and put the fear of death into the nazis or cops if they come after me, give them a reason to hesitate at the next door they kick in.

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[-] Weedian@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I once had a really drunk guy bang on my door at like midnight thinking there was a party or something. I said there wasn’t anything there for him and he started getting really aggressive trying to shove the door open but luckily I was wearing shoes and just blocked it with my foot. If he hasn’t been being so unpredictable I’d have offered him some water or food but I just closed and locked the door. He banged on the door for another 15 min or so before getting bored and leaving. I didn’t call the cops or anything. I have a 2 1/2ish foot aluminum tee ball bat near my door though but I’ve never even had to consider grabbing it before.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Re; Knocking doors down. You can get a big brass or steel latch plate for your door. It replaces the little brass plate that comes with the door. You secure it to the door frame with sturdy 3+ inch screws. Then if someone tries to kick the door in the force is spread over a much wider area using screws that are much more securely attached to the wood than normal screws. That means they have to hit the door a lot harder to break the door open.

It won't stop someone breaking in if they really want to, but it'll prevent someone from kicking the door in in a couple of kicks. Probably one of the more effective security measures you can do that actually helps somewhat and has some actual value.

There are also all kinds of floor wedges. Some you just kick under the door. Others, you drill a hole in the floor and if you want to keep someone out you drop the wedge in so the door cannot open. They make it much more difficult to open the door without actually destroying it.

Re: the bat;

I would strongly encourage you to get some pepper spray as a first option. One of the nice things about pepper spray is that outside of some medical conditions it will not kill or seriously injure the other person. You don't have to threaten them with a weapon and hope they leave so you don't have to hurt them. You can just spray them down as soon as you see them. They'll recover on their own in an hour or two and be no worse for wear by tomorrow. And the way pepper spray works - it forces your eyes shut, it makes you snot everywhere, breathing will hurt like hell, your skin burns, it all means that fighting becomes effectively impossible for someone who has gotten a face full of it.

Those two key things; You won't kill them or even injure them, and they'll be totally unable to fight, make it a very good option for defending yourself. You also don't need to be physically strong or a good fighter to use it. You just point and hold the cap down until it's empty.

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