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This is a Dengist community in favor of Bashar al-Assad with no information that can lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, our fellow liberal and queen. This community is not ironic. We are Marxists-Leninists.

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[–] Farmer_Heck@lemmygrad.ml 123 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"made them the dominate voice"

bro, tankies made lemmygrad for tankies

[–] Emanuel 84 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's like, in the name lol

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

tankies literally made the entire fuckin platform lol

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[–] Socialisminmind@lemmygrad.ml 78 points 9 months ago

Sounds like the meme

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 92 points 9 months ago (17 children)

[Tankies'] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism

Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they're even further 'left' than we are lol

However, when it comes to everyday societal challenges that are usually points of interest for the left wing—like policing, climate change, healthcare, housing, and workers’ rights—tankies seem less engaged.

Because we've settled these questions already. Police is a tool of the state, climate change is never going to be fixed under capitalism, healthcare should cover everything and be free for everyone, same for housing, workers' rights should be the basis of the socialist state. Also we don't want to dox ourselves by talking about local issues.

They often opt to use the nomenclature ‘Communist Party of China (CPC)’—Beijing’s preferred language—over the more colloquial ‘CCP’.

I didn't want to get into the language of the article, rather focusing on its shoddy research and understanding of communism, but... colloquial according to whom? The official term is "Beijing's preferred language" and the term you and your pals who don't speak a word of Chinese is better somehow?

Tankies have a tendency towards Stalinism. In our topic analysis, we find that tankies give more prevalence to topics related to Stalin compared to other far-left communities we analyse

Stalin died over half a century ago and he's still making liberals quake in their boots at the mere mention of his name 🫡

For instance, the way tankies discuss Khrushchev’s attempts to reduce Stalin’s influence, or “de-Stalinisation,” suggests a certain fondness for Stalin’s era.

You could literally have figured this out by just talking to a 'tankie'. You did not need gas-guzzling APIs and scripts to learn that.

An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”

Top tier shitpost and this dweeb doesn't even get it lmao, it is completely lost on him.

Our toxicity analysis also indicates that tankies are more likely than other far-left groups to post antisemitic content targeting Jews.

Absolutely no reference or figure forwarded to illustrate that very bold statement.

Tech companies must recognise and respond to the adeptness of groups like tankies in evading moderation efforts. Developing advanced content moderation tools that can detect and mitigate the spread of extremist rhetoric, irrespective of its political orientation, should be a priority. Collaborative endeavours between researchers and tech platforms can lead to the development of more robust and unbiased moderation systems. In this digital age, where platforms remarkably influence political discourse, it is imperative to understand and address all forms of online extremism to ensure a safer digital environment for all.

This is the most chatGPT conclusion of them all. You also haven't proven or even set out to demonstrate that 'tankies' are "adept at evading moderation" whatsoever, and are essentially saying you don't believe in free speech, which is decidedly not very liberal.

That's right bucko, you're a tankie too.

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 55 points 9 months ago (4 children)

An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”

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[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago

I hope this nerd actually reads this post

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 90 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I find it fascinating how the Western world defines extremism as straying from its conventional beliefs. It is intriguing to observe that holding views such as homelessness being acceptable or denying individuals' right to healthcare, which align with mainstream ideologies in the West, are not considered extreme. Instead, it is those who advocate for universal healthcare and housing who are deemed extremists by society. 🤡

[–] context@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

when i feed the poor, they call me a saint. when i ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 88 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Echo chamber? Maybe. Toxic? No, not at all. It's actually very freeing to be able to discuss ML stuff more deeply instead of having the umpteenth lib/ultra/trot coming in trying to debate TANKIE MAN SQUARE ONE BILLION DEATH.

This community has been nothing but supporting to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 9 months ago

Lemmygrad is hands down one of the most polite and inclusive online communities I've ever seen. I simply can't recall any instance where I disagreed with somebody here and we couldn't resolve it using a constructive and polite discussion. This is frankly unheard of on most social media platforms and vast majority of Lemmy instances.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (20 children)

It's actually kind of too calm for me here since most lib instances defederated from us. Having them chime in also allowed me to keep up with what they believe in currently.

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[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 83 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What this article is referring to as "Marxism/Leninism" is, in fact, Marxism-Leninism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, "Marxism plus Leninism". "Marxism/Leninism" implies either "Marxism" or "Leninism"; however, "Leninism" is is not an ideology unto itself, but rather an extension of Marxism. Many Marxists use this modified version of Marxism every day, without realizing it. Th

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 43 points 9 months ago

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as theft, is in fact, uBlock Origin, or as I've recently taken to calling it, uBlock Origin plus Advanced Mode. Theft is not an adblocker unto itself, but rather another misrepresentation of a fully functioning adblocker made useful by the uBlock Origin dynamic filters and its vital JS-blocking feature comprising a full modern adblocker as is required for the world wide web of today.

Many web browsers run a modified version of uBlock Origin every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of adblockers which is widely used today is often called theft, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically uBlock Origin, developed by Raymond Hill.

GNU + Marxism is praxis 🗣️🗣️

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Marxism/Leninism implies that you divide Marxism by Leninism which what would that even look like? That would be Trotskyism!

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 82 points 9 months ago

Global Network does not understand how fediverse works, the history of Lemmy, nor even the most blatant and obvious puns on one of the largest cities in the Soviet Union. Definitely people who know what they're talking about!

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 77 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Glad to see some bougie academic reaffirm the fact that our desire to see everyone treated like a human being is an extreme position.

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People who said the computer would end up being one of the most useful scientific tools ever invented were (1) right, but (2) also didn't anticipate how whole sectors of western academia would end up just browsing social media, collecting some screenshots, and presenting the whole together with some lazy-ass graph as "research."

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[–] zkrzsz@hexbear.net 76 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] sovietperson2@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 9 months ago

"We have no compassion and expect none in return. When our turn comes, we shall make no excuses for the toxicity."

  • Karl marx
[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 67 points 9 months ago (7 children)

You can't deny that we are leaving a lasting impact though, which other communist community can boast to having TWO articles written about them?

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 63 points 9 months ago (9 children)
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[–] cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Article written by some westoid libshit, I assume.

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[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly Lemmygrad has been one of the most open and supportive social media platforms I have ever been on... so unless just being communist makes you toxic... oh I think I found the crux of it

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Communism is when no Internet discourse with fascists. I love it so much. It’s so fun seeing the degenerates of the Internet get turned to dust and not tolerated like they are on Reddit.

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[–] Emanuel 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"Revisionist World Powers"

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 9 months ago (4 children)

A certain Albanian (and a certain Wisconsonian) would probably agree.

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[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hell, I'll take a revisionist Russia. Glad to hear they never abandoned socialism, at least.

1991 who?

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[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 61 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can’t believe they adopted the term tankie and wrote a whole Vincent Adultman whitepaper anchored around it. It appears to be the first paper for all three of them, at this particular think tank at least. They’re British CS/data nerds. Labor aristocrats probably with little to no class consciousness, or exposure to the humanities even.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 60 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Pfft, I bet Lemmygrad hasn't gotten a TERF so mad she went on TV to say she was being bullied. Hexbear stays in the lead!

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[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 60 points 9 months ago

This is chapo.chat erasure

[–] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 9 months ago

How did these dweebs find out about lemmygrad while not noticing hexbear or regular lemmy? What, is wisconcom advertising us on reddit? LMAO

These computer touchers probably threw this together an hour before midnight as their CS 469 keystone project

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ukrainian sovereignty

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/618843

Notably, tankies are more inclined to use the term ‘Zionist’ as a blanket label for Israel and its citizens.

That is likely because A. ‘Israeli’ has never been anything more than a meme nationality, and B. some of us want to make it clear that the settlers’ heritage is of no concern to us. Our problem with the settlers has nothing to do with their heritage, but with their demonization of innocents and theft of said innocents’ land and other resources. The settlers could have been Polish, Romani, Serbian, or whatever, and it wouldn’t have mattered.

Our toxicity analysis also indicates that tankies are more likely than other far-left groups to post antisemitic content targeting Jews.

What would be an example of this? For all that I know, their software could interpret a statement like ‘Jews should kill Zionists’ as an ‘antisemitic’ remark based on the keywords alone. I’d be curious to have a conversation with them about this, but I really doubt that any of them is going to approach me to try.

[–] daedramachine@hexbear.net 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fascists in ivory towers getting all that money for funding which could have been used for medical or something acutally useful to society can't even get their chud internet history site right, the_donald went to the website of the same name which is now that patriots site.

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[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol what's toxic here?? We just have zero tolerance for bigotry and don't allow liberals to allow them to spread their bullshit here unchecked, none of that shit is toxic at all 💀

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's why we're so toxic. We're Uncivil to liberals and don't tolerate their bullshit. Being uncivil is far more toxic than being racist, homophobic or sexist (according to upset liberals at least)

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[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey Global Network, you know you can just send me a DM and I'll explain everything you want to know? Why does nobody ever do that? Is this how 'research' is conducted nowadays?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's wild how liberal journos do all those ethnographic interviews of fascist groups but don't seem to do the same for communists nearly as often.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You're right, they go out there and meet incels and fascists and try to dress the portrait of the "misunderstood kid", meanwhile we get reduced to a congealed mass that exists solely on the computer screen (but is somehow still very dangerous)

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[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I love how they use the term "revisionist" to refer to media from countries they don't like. The whole article is also a beautiful horseshoe theory polished turd.

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The term critical support is not mentioned even once

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[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Besides being a fucking ugly graph where you can barely read the node labels, I also like that this one pretty much admits democrats are clustered along the other reactionaries.

They also don't describe how they even got that clustering (or the network itself) in the first place. I think it's safe to assume they either nicked it from the web or got an inexperienced intern to just do whatever with a Jupyter notebook.

Is it a network of "common posters"? Of links in sidebar? In cross-posts?

Data science is what happens when "programmers think they are experts in everything that deals with computers" is taken to its most extreme. This field needs a purge, for the sake of all actual statisticians.

Science is when you never show your methodology, because it came to you in ~~a dream~~ a linear regression.

Edit: why the heck is Anarcho_Capitalism plotted between Feminism, feminisms and Radical_Feminism?

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago

No mention of Hexbear? eviscerated

[–] Lorraine@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 9 months ago

This is one of the more calm and civilized online spaces tbh. There may be the occasional outlier of an user but that is more of an exception than the rule, from what I've seen. Even spaces you'd assume to be relatively undisturbed by conflict, like fandom and hobby communities, often seem to be polluted by unnecessary hostility 😭

[–] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 41 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Someone is going to get a PhD in "strategic studies" for writing this

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The libs has sent in a silly letter...

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