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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

An ad hominem isn't just an attack on the other person's character, that's just an insult. An ad hominem is when you tie the quality of an argument to the character of the person making it.

"You are an asshat, therefore your argument is wrong" is an ad hominem.

"You are an asshat" is an attack of the writers characteristics/authority/insult/name-calling/funny/cool/good.

People keep crying "AD HOMINEM" when they get insulted and it's just the most obvious tell that they're fucking stupid and don't know what they're talking about.

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't understand why it is structured as a pyramid

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should always start your argument with an ad hominem and, if it doesn't work, slowly work your way towards insulting your interlocutor, the highest form of rethoric

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i'M mR EtHaLis fRoM SoME rAnDOm JeRk Off wEbSitE YoU'vE NevEr HeArD oF aNd i'M sO sMaRT i kNoW hOW tO DebAte PEopLe On tHe iNteRnEt.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No no, that's name calling already, you jumped straight to the top. You need to cloak your disdain in a civil tone, because remember the next step is going to tone policing. So something like, "I don't think you have a lot of experience arguing on the internet seeing as you come from a much smaller instance." is much better bait.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's literally not what I'm doing but whatever.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it was a joke about starting an argument with an ad hominem.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I thought it was a joke about starting an argument with an ad hominem.

:smuglord: actually, I think you'll find that I did attack him personally instead of his underlying points, which according to rationalwiki, counts.

spoilerIt was/is but your bit was better. Admitting being wrong isn't a step though. That's also why I deleted it until you responded because I realized I'm not funny 😢

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

kubrick-stare Where are the FACTS and LOGIC??

spoilerThe issue with ironic shitposting in a nutshell. I'm going to tap out though before we are under so many layers of irony the whole thing caves in

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

spoiler

I realized I'm not funny 😢

Your nickname betrays that lie meow-hug

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its the recommended daily internet arguments per USDA guidelines.

  • At the bottom are your ad hominems, these lay a good foundation and give you the required dopamine for the day.
  • Then come your basic civility criticisms and tone policing to make sure everyone treats you with the respect you deserve.
  • Contradictions are of course necessary to make sure your position is represented and to make it harder for opposing views to get traction.
  • A few counterarguments here and there make sure that you get a bit of research done in order to be able to form new arguments. This is a good idea as arguments age over time and need to be replaced every so often.
  • A refutation is of course a long-term source of dopamine that you can refer back to in the upcoming days for a quick hit by marvelling at your own argument.
  • If you have taken care of all your daily internet argument requirements and still have time left, why then you get to do some name-calling. As a treat.
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Closer to the top, the better.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which layer of the chart is me acting like I've never heard of whatever is vexing the other person? Also what about purposefully mispronouncing names?

[–] FanonFan@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Finkelstein transcended this pyramid when facing Mr Boticelli

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is there a name for coming up with extremely unlikely scenarios where you'd be right? Like, very convoluted, technically possible, but extremely improbable

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pedantry

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Gonna tie semantics to that as something related

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Are you looking for a debatebro term? That's a violation of "The principle of charity".

[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

"Thought experiments" can end up that way when there's no actual experiment done as a result to test it out, or after it gets released into the wild. The enduring use of P-Zombies or simulation theories.

[–] Galli@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sam Harris-ing

Essentially a form of begging the question; If we assume this scenario where I'd be correct, then I'd be correct.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I wish my brain didn't shut down if I get sternly talked

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have no regard for etiquette and will freely just shit talk the other guy under any and all circumstances. If anyone has a problem with this, they are free to try and stop me

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

About where I'm at; etiquette is reserved for the comrades and everyone else can gargle on my balls

[–] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Counterpoint: you are a poopy head

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

states the opposite case with little or no supporting evidence

no it isn't

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Step 1) Say something objectively true.

Step 1b) "Well, ACTUALLY..."

Step 2) Tell that stupid motherfucker off.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

That one annoying-ass reddit powermod that runs contrapoints sub who got incredibly angry at us that one time

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

name calling

gigachad

[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

the Sartre quote always comes to mind

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, fascists love calling me out for namecalling everytime I call them fascists for supporting genocide.

[–] DerRedMax@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I don’t see Sophistry on this list. Curious…

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Pea brained: Using ad hominem because you have no real argument.

Normal brained: Insulting your opponent once you realize ad hominem aren't insults.

Galaxy brained: Using ad hominem because informal fallacies aren't actually logical fallacies.

[–] odmroz@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

new Maslow's hierarchy of needs just dropped

[–] odmroz@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(essentially, I will not self-actualize until someone calls me an asshat)

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Am I thinking of a different kind of counter argument? Why is that one on this list?