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These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.

They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.

I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.

As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:

Is it worth it?

I have the answer, I know you know it as well:

No its not

I used to think otherwise

I was a fool

its not worth a few laughs

even if you dunk all you want, that doesn't take away the knife those people put in our backs.

These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don't make any room for them offline, why should we not online?

And really

How many essays have your written?

How many sources have you combed through?

How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?

How many attempts at good faith?

Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don't read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.

For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the "good faith one" just reverts back to their old shit.

Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?

I don't believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.

Is posting a meme to "own the liberals" worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?

No its not.

you've had your laugh, but it should end

Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.

Defederate from those communities. We shouldn't sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren't reddit. We came here to get away from that. I'm sick of this. We are sick of this.

End it now

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Please defederate us from the funny-clown-hammer

[–] aen@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I agree, I'd prefer if we just federated with niche interest instances instead of the big ones

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't feel like it's really that big a deal. I can pretty much ignore them if I want.

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[–] jabrd@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find our own users desperately more annoying since the federation as well

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[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While it was interesting for a little while, I think as even our most prolific posters have gotten tired of dealing with this shit, I think I correctly identified what was going to happen.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3548122

https://hexbear.net/comment/3548410

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[–] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, I understand why some people enjoy federation but I've been double thinking a lot of the things I'd normally want to post here because I'm worried about getting some ignorant comment from an outside instance

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[–] babushkot@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I'm relatively new here, so with that context in mind... I'm glad I was able to find out this place exists after it disappearing on reddit-logo but even so, opening to federation like this should not come at the cost of our trans comrades and comrades of color. I'm all for defeding from all but grad (and maybe lemmy.ml), as well as keeping applications in place for the foreseeable future. People are well aware of this place by now; Those that want to participate will find a way, or lurk as they learn.

[–] The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we're taking account of opinions I'll throw my hat in with defederation. The entire value of Chapochat and hexbear was its existence as a chill place. I understand many people wanted to go back to and enjoy the old sub days but what hexbear was is completely different. I've been around for a long time and don't post much, gotta say I'm not a big fan of the changes.

Between threatening dms (which were generally a rare existence pre-federation) and overall trolling and toxicity, I really think we took a step back.

I don't see myself browsing much with federation being a thing.

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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I don't quite know. It's on the one hand pretty obvious these people are complete assholes, but on the other bullying assholes is sort of what makes all this fun, and there's a lot of of other users we reach out to, and some, I assume, are good people.
I think mods should just use the banhammer much more freely, but that's been my wish since federation. Used to be almost any use of bigoted language got you banned, that's not the case anymore. It's pretty obvious we're back in the era of daily wreckers, and that requires more strict moderation. I think I'd like to see that, before I see anything else happen.

Speaking to the essays and sources: I agree, it's tiring. Perhaps we should use some effort as a community to make carrds on the most common stuff - Tianamen, Ukrainian Nazis, genocide in the Donbass, Ukraine losing the war, double genocide theory, that sort of stuff. I've oftentimes just linked to @robinn2@hexbear.nets carrd on xinjiang. It's a pretty good way to figure out if people are acting in good faith or nah.

Edit: I should also say that the most important thing is that Hexbear is an open and inclusive space, and what @Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net experienced is not ok. I'm not at all opposed to defederating, I personally would just like to see if there is another solution available beforehand, but I wanna be clear and say that I am not voting for or against anything with this post - I don't really think it's my place to decide to what extent the safe space that Hexbear has grown to be, should be managed.
Speaking as a member of the ND-community I gotta say the ableism these last few days have been tiring, but what really gets to me is users not being banned. I'm used to people using autistic as a slur or -tard as an insult, I'm just not used to these things being handled this leniently. There's a lot of SJW users that do some playground style "oh I didn't actually say the thing, so it doesn't count" which should just be an immediate ban. In general I think there's way too much debate pervetry around. I still wanna see if there is some other solution than defederation, but I understand if our queer comrades feel differently. I don't know if there been a lot of racism - apart from the very clearly racist image in their anti-lemmygrad comm - but like from individual users that is. It's not really for me to say either.

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