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Edit: Surprised at all the vegans in this thread. I didn't think there were so many of you. I'm glad you care so much about animal rights, that you're willing to forego eating them and using products made from them. If you're not vegan and have moral objections for this, maybe you should look at yourself first and all the animal abuse you sanction by eating animals and using animal products. Did you know dairy cows have to be pregnant to produce milk? They're artificially inseminated throughout most of their lives. I hope everyone complaining about this also complains about ice cream and cheese. Or else they would be hypocrites who just want to blame others but never look at themselves.

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[–] Hank@kbin.social 119 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe I don't have to stop drinking after all...

[–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago

A truly pragmatic take away

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm wondering if I can pre-order

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It takes time to grow, so you better!

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You made me snort into my whiskey glass

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I like the way you think! finishes beer and grabs another

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So people kill animals for fun, but when someone suggests using animals to save lives it's evil?

Fix things in logical order and hopefully by then we'll have developed other solutions that do not depend on animals. But don't fight against progress when there are so many horrible and useless things that are allowed at the same time, pick your fights efficiently.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Farming pigs in ultra tiny spaces with horrible conditions where some of them die before getting brutally slaughtered to have cheap meat which is not necessary for human nutrition anymore, just tasty - totally fine

Farming pigs and treating them very well so that they grow healthy organs for terminally sick humans to then kill them in a controlled and anesthesized setting - how dare you

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Am I the only one who thinks it's fucked up to experiment on animals who can't consent to this? We place so much emphasis on people being the most important thing in the world, we forgot that we are part of the ecosystem too.

[–] htrayl@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

This is and will always be small potatoes in terms of the suffering we put relatively intelligent animals through every day.

We would need to slaughter probably 100,000 animals yearly for the US organ demand (at ~50,000 transplants per year and a buffer).

We slaughter 125 MILLION pigs in the US for consumption a year.

Not to mention that "medical grade" pigs will probably be given a golden ticket in terms of care until they are slaughtered, compared to the extremely abysmal environment millions live in today.

If animal welfare is important to you, scientific research is a poor use of advocating resources while we still eat hundreds of pounds of meat yearly. If advocates reduce meat consumption by even a percent or two it would generally greatly outweigh banning animal based research entirely.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Animal testing isn’t ideal but for important medical advances, animal testing is the only way to demonstrate safety before human trials. At some point, you have to value the life of a human more than mice.

And some of the testing is fun. Like when they give them a buzzer to get more drugs. Lab rats definitely consent to more cocaine.

[–] Beefcyclone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Confirmed, cocaine is lab rat approved.

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[–] bobman@unilem.org 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean, you're probably not the only one who thinks anything.

That said, do you eat meat? If so, the meat and dairy industries systematically do egregious things to millions of animals every day.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude if I can preorder a whole pig with a replacement set of lungs too ….

Dinner and an upgrade?

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (18 children)

The comment section is laughable. I hope none of you or your loved ones will need an organ transplant in the future, since it's better to be put on a waiting list and cross your fingers that you won't die before an organ is available, since cattle is oh-so-important and precious.

[–] whiskers@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Cattle are important and precious. There are already immoral practices brought by capitalism while raising animals for slaughter. This doesn't imply that it's moral to now bring an animal to life just to steal its organs as well.

Organ transplant can be achieved artificially by just developing the organs themselves in the lab. There already has been work done in that regard.

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[–] such_lettuce7970@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Humans truly are the monsters in this story.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Living people is more important than dead animals.

Plus, every new kidney comes with a side of bacon. How can you resist a deal like that?

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think you are proving OP right.

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[–] bobman@unilem.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] such_lettuce7970@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Taking context from your other comments: no I don't eat animal products.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I'd still prefer growing headless human clones for parts, but this is good enough.

[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No ManBearPig mentions yet? Half man, half bear, half pig?

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

No, it's half bear and half man pig

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

don't miss out your monthly payment.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'm all for this, but this comments section is crazy. Huge ratios for both sides.

The article says embryos so I don't think it's living animals being tested on, that being said it's also China, so fuck knows what other sorts of inhumane stuff is going on that isn't being talked about.

[–] LongbottomLeaf@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

The pigoons said they would leave your garden alone if you stopped hunting them.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Man, I have ALWAYS wished outloud "I wish we humans has spare parts, so I can replace my always congested nose, my fucked up knee and shoulder". My dream is finally coming true????

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Those are sadly not organs.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s interesting that we go to all the trouble of farming human organs in animals specifically because we’re okay killing animals. Surely it would work way better to farm human organs in human embryos. But we go about it sideways because that’s how much we don’t give a shit about animals.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Weird take, it's like you're conflating acceptable losses and apathy.

Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman's love tunnel.

These are why people kill animals for this, not because they "don't give a shit about animals".

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[–] Asstronaut@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Firstly, I would like to thank our Tleilaxu overlords

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 5 points 1 year ago

Great news but an absolute braindead take from most commenters here..

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

So what happens to the clones on The Island?

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