Either way, change is needed. And electing a fascist is going to make change more difficult.
Idk, “after Hitler, our turn” worked out good for those people last century
You mean it worked out for the people he didn't eradicate
This was sarcasm. It in fact was not them after Hitler because he was a dictator who killed them. The idea that we should sit out this election to punish Dems is fucking idiotic because fascist authoritarians tend to clean house of people they dislike.
Also, people aren't going to turn to people that did nothing to oppose fascism to rebuild their society after it was destroyed by fascists. People will say "you were right about that Trump guy." They won't out of nowhere say "you were right about this socialist thing, by golly I wish I did nothing to stop fascism like you did! Why if I was more like you... well things would've still gotten destroyed because you did nothing. But I could've felt smug about things like you are. I want to be more like you!"
Would you rather push a boulder up a hill... or up a sheer cliff face while stormtroopers at the top are shooting at you and rounding up everyone who could help and putting them in camps?
Exactly. Thank you.
No political system is perfect. Ever.
They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.
Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.
"Revolution only ever results in a change of masters"
"One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
Ok, why not create a human system that's not succeptible to greed by introducing usufruct property relations?
I read up on it, but I'm not sure how that's immune to greed. Are you able to explain?
I've come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken
As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don't vote the system may get to a point where it can't be fixed.
If you want that outcome go watch the movie Civil War. You're likely to be one of the people in that refugee camp, or maybe in a mass grave because you're the "wrong kind of American". That's the kind of shit that happens when the system is destroyed.
Um, excuse me, this is a circle jerk. Get out of here with your facts.
Yep the current capitalist world order benefits infinite extracting moneyed interests by mass exploitation and it must be completely destroyed.
I prefer the term "technofeudalism"
Let us hold hands and nuke ourselves I guess.
Any solution that starts with purges is bad.
It's harder to build something than to destroy it. I'd you destroy a system with nothing to replace it, the rich and powerful will swoop into the power vacuum and gobble up more.
This is very true. It has happened so many times.
yep, violent revolution rarely ends with better conditions for the people
Purges?
When we taking (this) system?
You talking about the ruling class (defined by its ownership of all things)?
(Either way a purge would be just taking away things they shouldn't own anyway)
I don't think purging by political affiliation would directly change modern western systems, so dismantling such system isn't by color, it's ruling class vs everyone & everything else.
I'm thinking more about the plurality of Americans that aren't on board, for whatever stupid reason. Until they are convinced, destroying the system won't really stick, if it's even possible.
The purpose of a system is what it does
There are no winners, only survivors.
There is no perfect system, every system needs to be fought over, lest it gets overtaken by those working against you. Destroying the current system also destroys every benefit you already fought for.
Getting rid of monarchy famously destroyed all the benefits that enlightenment brought the people. /s
Yeah, and as we all know it goes very smoothly with no long running issues. France in the early 1790s was a great place for all, if memory serves.
Most monarchies didn't get 'destroyed' and most peasants living under monarchies didn't have much to lose to begin with. The world is much more interconnected now.
Careful, you're going to make a lot of the dotworld liberals very upset with this one.
Yeah, it's not late stage capitalism, it's peak capitalism.
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