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Voting records are public my dudes. Why shouldn’t the democrats be fucking talking about blacklisting every single person who registered as a republican at one point in their life?

Y’all are very pessimistic with electoralism and I am too but I would literally do a critical support for libs if they just threatened it!

The republicans literally tried to overthrow the government on January 6th, that was worse than 9/11 that bitch deserved to be shot.

So many of this country problems if all the white people who predominately support the Republican Party were banned from government jobs, owning property, getting drivers licenses, or voting.

Target the Republican Party and you can get rid of the white peoples institution power. Let them try to do civil war 2 and kill hopefully millions of them with drones striked by trans black indigenous women piloting drones.

Now I really don’t have faith in the dems on being good, but they would be better. I would rather have Mensheviks than fucking fascists.

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[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How would that be any different? Assuming this isn't a bit, this seems to completely forget that the ruling class are all quite happily allied, so favouring one over the other makes no difference.

Even in the world where they do this, the Dem party, now unburdened by the need to even appear slightly not-fascist, would, without a doubt, immediately embrace and assimilate all the Republican politicians and things would continue basically just like they do now. You are now ruled by the same people and nothing changed.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What if instead of participating in the election and giving legitimacy to the government, the Dems built a separate authority, parallel to the federal government ?what if they were able to erode the public support and legitimacy of the federal government through this "parallel power"?

thinkin-lenin

You got a dually on your truck. I got one on my state. We are not the same.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Target the Republican Party and you can get rid of the white peoples institution power. Let them try to do civil war 2 and kill hopefully millions of them with drones striked by trans black indigenous women piloting drones

You really think that would be how it worked out? We'd get the drones and the right would be the underdogs?

The left would be stuck in camps and would be exterminated in this country. It happened in Indonesia and there's a whole armed right wing culture in America just waiting to get the signal to start killing their opponents.

Posts like this just show how fundamentally unprepared anyone on the left is for conflict.

[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

This post is obviously bait though, but yeah. Even if, for whatever reason, the Dems decided to play hard ball with the Republicans the first thing they would do is round up socialists for the camps.

[–] Averagemaoist@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just make it illegal for whites to vote, a lot simpler.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

warren-snake Good thing I'm a Native American, eh?

[–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

If you already had the power to disenfranchise voters, why would you need to? Wouldn't you also have the power to declare the party illegal?

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not sure if this is a serious post or not. And I’m struggling to think of a situation in which the Democratic Party would even consider the thinnest, most mild version of this, let alone denying republicans the vote. Like I’m sorry bro, but what the fuck is even that? Democrats doing something that goes against their sacrosanct legalism? Bro what? Respectability and decorum are tools of bourgeois politics. The two party farce doesn’t work if one party actually forces the other out.

Even if there was a gigantic social movement to do something petty like deny republicans service restaurants, how long do you think that would last? How long before a lawsuit lands in front of some circuit judge who rules that political affiliation (the correct type of political affiliation) is now a protected class?

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I calculate approximately two or three more Jan 6 would convince the Dems to weaponize the alphabet agencies to crackdown on the Republican Party

50/50 chance it would even work, mostly likely the Republicans would weaponize their own factions in the military industrial complex and things would develop from there

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is a bit, right?….right?

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Lol, good bit

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

They're already actively doing exactly this to lawmakers that are black, female, or trans -

But unfortunately the "centrists" and liberals will still attack us as "extremists" if we suggest it. Not that I care, I get so much flack for not eating at 3 restaurants whose owners were J6ers. Sorry bro they can eat my whole ass and you can tell em I said that 🤷

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why shouldn’t the democrats be fucking talking about blacklisting every single person who registered as a republican at one point in their life?

Florida Republicans tried a similar stunt a few months back

“The Ultimate Cancel Act,” filed Tuesday by state Sen. Blaise Ingoglia, would require the state’s Division of Elections to “immediately cancel” the filings of any political party whose platform had “previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude.”

None of this is ever taken particularly seriously, as what you're trying to do is superficial at best and infeasible at worst. Electoralism is a release valve for popular energy and denying a bunch of Republicans in a deep blue state (what you'd need to advance such legislation) means diverting all that "Red Wave! We can win this!" exercise of futility into a less well-controlled opposition.

The real disenfranchisement isn't by party, anyway. Its by class (typically via prohibitions on race/religion/age/gender). And that's a technique leveraged by both parties on a national scale anyway. Why pretend to threaten the minority party with disenfranchisement when FPTP voting means they're already functionally disenfranchised? If you really want to undermine the GOP as a movement, just do what most dominant parties do and... don't send their precincts voting machines that work, don't count their votes until the race is functionally decided, don't send them absentee ballots in a timely manner, and don't let them vote early or in convenient locations.

That's what Republicans have been doing in Harris County, bit by bit, for the last six years and its done a real number on Dem participation without ever having to explicitly ban the party.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would have been quite funny given the Republican party has absolutely advocated for both those things, they simply didn't want slavery expanded.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The nascent 19th century GOP was home to the bulk of the abolitionist movement and hosted a large coalition of black civil rights leaders for decades. It wasn't until Hayes that Republican leadership really surrendered to the Dixiecrats. Even then, you'd periodically see subsequent savvy Republican leverage black support to land a blow on southern democrats. Unfortunately, the most common way to do this was by using lumpen black labor as strikebreakers and scabs, which only exacerbated the racial labor divide.

Whigs certainly advocated for both things. But that party went extinct in 1860. So the modern GOP gets to pretend it didn't happen, in the same way they get to pretend Coastal Woke Elitist Liberals of the modern day wouldn't have been right at home in the GOP of the Lincoln Era.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know that the GOP had the radical abolitionist faction, but that doesn't change that party policy in the very early years wasn't even for gradual abolition, even if the moderate members were technically not fans of slavery.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

party policy in the very early years wasn't even for gradual abolition

Not having a coherent abolitionist policy was what broke the old Whig coalition. But - as crazy as it sounds - the heart of the Republican platform at its inception was abolition of slavery in states where it was already illegal. Thanks to the Fugitive Slave Acts and assorted SCOTUS decisions, liberal Republicans weren't even allowed that much.

That was also enough to send Dixiecrats into such a lather that they imploded into civil war and their own self-destruction.