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Genuinely, the guy is complaining that the game, that we know practically nothing about, will probably give you a questline to liberate slaves.

At the most basic level (I.E. role-playing as an evil character) I sort of agree. But, like, they're not going to force you to do the whole quest. Ignoring the prompt is the evil option. If you ignore the questline, the slaves remain slaves.

The problem isn't wokeness. I doubt anyone would object to the concept of role-playing as an evil character. Hell, it can even be beneficial to role-play as an evil character, as it can provide insight into what motivates evil in the real world. Bethesda isn't trying to take away evil options because they have a woke agenda. Bethesda isn't going to give us evil options because Todd Howard is an idiot who believes having broad gameplay is the same as having deep gameplay.

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[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I seem to recall freeing slaves in Morrowind.

More like Morrowoke I guess

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And the slavery in Morrowind was ultimately outlawed only when Argonians invaded from Black Marsh and started massacring every slaveowner, Haiti style.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

There has never been a video game that was made worse by giving the player the chance to be John Brown

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hey Nerevarine, I think we're gonna have to kill this Telvanni scum

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I made my Nevarine head of Telvanni, then located all the slaves and killed the people holding their keys and freed them. Didnt get expelled because Telvanni can kill each other without (official) consequences if you're strong enough.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lmao got em

Oh no did someone get addicted to an amoral might makes right philosophy?

did-someone

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

this is the way izutsumi-idea

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is chud culture war shit how freeze-gamer honor the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned?

EDIT: Edited for clarity of the slapping target for Dagoth Ur.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

?

I just think its funny to JB-shining-aggro some imaginary slavers.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh no your post was fine, cool, and good. By "this shit" I meant the chuds mentioned in the top of the thread.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, I have to admit to being a little shocked at someone treating chattel slavery as morally ambiguous. Chuds have been getting out of control

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

antintellectual fuckwits like this do not even respect or understand the art they tout as the superior old fashion. there is no serious analysis of morrowind that supports a 'non-opinion' or endorsement of slavery. it was just an accident that they included the option in the game to free every existing slave? that there's quests for an abolitionist faction, and abolitionist options in many quests? where are the commiserate pro-slavery options, dipshit?

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ignoring all the slavery is clearly the evil option. This chud yearns to be part of the trade himself.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

all style no substance, the observation is that old quest direction was less upfront--true enough, but the notion that shears off the moral dimension of all the quests and writing is almost specious in its misunderstanding of the text.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

Slips on generational Dunmer John Brown gloves jb-shining

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The treat hogs know next to nothing about the game but they're getting mad in advance because they anticipate having less cruelty for cruelty's sake.

I've enjoyed evil playthroughs before, such as in Star Wars: The Old Republic. That said, the absence of evil options doesn't send me off to wage culture war.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've enjoyed evil playthroughs before, such as in Star Wars: The Old Republic

That's a funny coincidence, that's one of few games I could tolerate going full evil, honestly I suspect the game is not that fun if you don't act like a cartoonishly evil Saturday morning villain

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

honestly I suspect the game is not that fun if you don't act like a cartoonishly evil Saturday morning villain

Being a "nice* Sith is pretty underwhelming. Sith Warrior has good Vader vibes as evil and Sith Inquisitor is basically the Space Jonkler. joker-dancing

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sith Inquisitor was definitely my favorite playthrough, the evil acts you can commit are straight up hilarious and the characters you're committing the acts against more or less deserve it so you never get what I call "phantom guilt" like you get in other games

Instead its alot of schadenfreude and ironic comeuppance

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's that one person at the casino you can zap so. Many. Times. lenin-dont-laugh

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll admit it, I was mashing the zap button the whole game, the way the steam came off their bodies while they stood up and got back into bioware conservation mode absolutely killed me every time lmao

And then they'd say something goofy af like "Well that was unpleasant and rude"

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also used the disco-lit party bomb pretty much every time before I did an execution scene; the party bomb continued during the execution part! party-sicko

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An underrated aspect of that game is really the color pallette, mixed with the animation effects it really made alot of scenes pop out

Mmorpg's tend to either have oversaturated or subdued color schemes, but Old Republic somehow hit the sweet spot

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

Agreed.

My Sith Inquisitor even wore a dapper formal outfit (the one The Defector wears during the first Imperial flashpoint) that popped because of the lighting and contrast and somehow it made all his shenanigans seem even funnier.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I named my inquisitor "Traitorro" and went for light side, levelling up in pugs was quite something

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, evil options in games are usually pretty underwhelming. It's almost like developers put them there as a token nod to contrarians.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Old Republic had theatrical and even campy evil options for Sith characters, and that was fun.

One example was that my Inquisitor took control of an already-existing Dark Side cult on Nar Shadda, and didn't just maintain it but expanded its operations and demanded "robes of solid gold!" The cultists said that was impossible... so he settled for silk. shrug-outta-hecks

There's also times you can zap people with Force Lightning not just to interrogate, but to fuck with them, including behind-the-back flourishes! i-do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX4dWvLsUFQ&list=PLhX2FxtDc1fT6fqwOqKhfWCmE-MZoqh4s&index=11

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[–] Esoterica@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean if star field was a canary in the coal mines.. look it’s not gonna be better we will be lucky if it’s a better version of Skyrim and even that is questionable.

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think anybody even likes Bethesda games for their genuine merits anymore. They're fundamentally broken in ways that people find appealing for some reason.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

each bethesda game is now just the most recent and prettiest porn mod platform. Except Starfield was so underwhelming that most modders stayed on Fallout and Skyrim!

[–] blame@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Starfield is anything to go by the ways of resolving the quest will either be to leave the slaves where they are or purchase the slaves, with the slaveowners being unkillable despite only being in that one quest.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Starfield

Space Neoliberalism: The Game was as bleak and horrid and monotonous as neoliberalism itself. corporate-art

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Space Neoliberalism

They really created a world that is as nonsensical as the one libs have created here on Earth.

[–] Esoterica@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It was off puting and kinda showed a lack of vision and like honestly the fact the economics of Astroid mining crashing the market because of the sheer amount of supply in a rare earth astroid being an example of how space breaks the frame work of supply and demand. Full stop you need to be able to imagine something more even if capitalism still exists in some way.

At a certain point it’s bad story telling

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

A lot of "asteroid mining will fix everything" bazinga believers contend that asteroid mining would allow everything to continue exactly as it is now, but more of it. More pretentious obnoxious panopticon phones, mountains of them, nothing else changing, and not a fucking word about where all the consequent pollution would go. eco-porky

[–] Stolen_Stolen_Valor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

TES6 is going to suck because over the course of 20 years Bethesda has simply refused to learn anything about modern game design.

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