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[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

Not going to happen

I so badly want this to happen, but it's not going to happen

[–] darthy@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

After the election results and looking at Elon for past few months, I'm starting to think Trump isn't the problem. It won't matter if he stays or not. USA has got bigger knives in it's chest.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

STARTING to think? Honestly I don't even hate Trump anymore. It's like hating a shark or a snake or something. He's just doing what he does. It's the ~75 million people who enable him by voting for him that are disgusting and terrifying right now. Half of America is the problem, and he is just a symptom, and it is a BIG BIG BIG problem for the whole world.

[–] TetraVega@lemmings.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been trying to fathom the amount of misinformation out of here that has accumulated in people's minds. There are people that I know and love, otherwise intelligent good people, that are thankful that Trump got elected. They believe that everything wrong with America and the world is due to "the Democrats". And they've been that way since before 04.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This.

We have an absolutely wrecked educational system that nobody can think anymore. People have either working lives that occupy them 99% of the time and they can't make informed decisions, or are suffering from 10-second attention-spans and can't focus on any political messages past "I am the greatest, vote for me" and the fact that is the literal message that won an election, should terrify us all.

If we have a really big challenge, like a novel new virus or disease, in our current state with our current leaders, millions would di- oh, wait, what? I'm being told this already happened.

Well, if something else really bad happens then we'll have similar or worse causalities.

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

"We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time." -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent

[–] superkret@feddit.org 402 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Interesting.

When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it's called a "legal loophole".

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 154 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My first thought was "So we call 'following the law' a loophole now?"

If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Yeah he's not going to jail. The bastard is just going to keep laughing at us every day. But he's only got maybe 20 years to go. I would be surprised if 10. He's basically 20% rotten McDonald's M double cheeseburger. We might have to deal with princes Vans instead of Maybe one of the other trump princesses. Who knows.

All we should do is wait and feed him Peanuts or pretzels. He's bound to choke in one of those things. Either that or the sodium.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Given how badly his mental state is doing right now, I wonder if he will even survive his term in office.

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[–] ooli@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

still 20 years! Average USA lifespan for man is 75 year. He should already be dead by now.

Yes money help with living longer, but with his bad health hygiene it should cancel out.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Average mean means middle...half the population is still alive at average age unfortunately. But fortunately the whole age range is non-linear because nobody gets to be 150 years old. More like 1 person in the world might get to be 125 years old if they never smoked, never had even looked at a MacDonalds burger on TV etc.

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Life expectancy depends on wealth. What's the average for rich people?

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 188 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it's over. He's never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out...

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Realistically probably not. However it's best to not give up hope and call out those who aren't enforcing the law.
If there's enough fuss it'll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.

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[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 131 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain't happening. We've all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.

[–] thekerker@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Except he's already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there's really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn't.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 240 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 84 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.

He'll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.

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Yeah, he'll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 68 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn't be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 90 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with "Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to 'break the glass barrier'" and "Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court" and "Biden shoud make an official act to do X".

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn't Biden do something extreme at this moment?

This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was "Donald Trump is a Nazi," yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.

You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It's all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, "no, you obviously shouldn't kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law."

Realistically, if Kamala's rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.

THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.

Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.

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[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, the resigning one is way more possible/probable and less disruptive. It'd more be funny than anything, especially if his fans bought lots if "47th" merch, as they'd be supporting Harris

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They literally couldn't. But he isn't getting that sentence anyways.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 81 points 4 days ago (9 children)

You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.

If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump's legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.

Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.

If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (15 children)

guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn't going to prison.

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[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I'd assume any sentence for time to serve would be suspended until after his term.

That said, it would be very funny to be in a time where the US President could not visit certain states because he would be arrested.

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 89 points 4 days ago (3 children)

JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.

Beware the Monkey Paw

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 54 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.

I could be wrong.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 63 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.

Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don't get sucked into this madness.

But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.

So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it's dangerous. Don't ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The legal loophole is called maximum sentence.

But no, he was always going to get something like 2 years supervised parole.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.

I'm telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Loophole or not. His AG (likely Cannon) will threaten prison time or charge with treason or insurrection with anyone who attempts to continue any cases against him

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It is not actually legal to do this. A state can't interfere with the functioning of the federal executive branch. Most constitutional scholars would say the sentence just gets suspended until the end of his term.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It wouldn't effect the functioning of the federal system. You seem to forget he spent the majority of his time in his idiotic faux gold penthouse or at Mar a lago.

Dumping him into white collar prison wouldn't change any of that and fed prisoners can still get temporary hardship/work release anyway.

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[–] ROAGO@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 3 days ago
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