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[–] superkret@feddit.org 412 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Interesting.

When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it's called a "legal loophole".

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 159 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My first thought was "So we call 'following the law' a loophole now?"

If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

In a word: Garland.

In two words: Merrick Garland

In three words: fucking Merrick Garland

In four words: fucking Merrick "Slowclown" Garland

In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 243 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.

He'll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A great Russian Mafia knows the judge's and prosecutor's kids 🔪

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea

Yeah, he'll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 191 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it's over. He's never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out...

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Realistically probably not. However it's best to not give up hope and call out those who aren't enforcing the law.
If there's enough fuss it'll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is what the law is. It's never applied to rich pale bros.

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[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

But (as a European) it would be funny tho

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[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 132 points 1 week ago (9 children)

This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain't happening. We've all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.

[–] thekerker@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Except he's already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.

[–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there's really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn't.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with "Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to 'break the glass barrier'" and "Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court" and "Biden shoud make an official act to do X".

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn't Biden do something extreme at this moment?

This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was "Donald Trump is a Nazi," yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.

You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It's all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, "no, you obviously shouldn't kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law."

Realistically, if Kamala's rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.

THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.

Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.

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[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, the resigning one is way more possible/probable and less disruptive. It'd more be funny than anything, especially if his fans bought lots if "47th" merch, as they'd be supporting Harris

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 89 points 1 week ago (3 children)

JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.

Beware the Monkey Paw

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 54 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.

I could be wrong.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 64 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.

Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don't get sucked into this madness.

But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.

So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it's dangerous. Don't ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Younger generally means more hopeful and ambitious, so it really depends how much Peter Thiel has his hooks in him.

Vance at least has a non-white wife and is still on his first marriage so probably less bitter.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As an aside I was looking up everyone involved with founding PayPal. What a collective bunch of shit stains they are.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (8 children)

You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.

If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump's legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.

Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.

If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term

In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.

Then we'd have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 68 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn't be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.

I'm telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (15 children)

guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn't going to prison.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Yeah he's not going to jail. The bastard is just going to keep laughing at us every day. But he's only got maybe 20 years to go. I would be surprised if 10. He's basically 20% rotten McDonald's M double cheeseburger. We might have to deal with princes Vans instead of Maybe one of the other trump princesses. Who knows.

All we should do is wait and feed him Peanuts or pretzels. He's bound to choke in one of those things. Either that or the sodium.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Loophole or not. His AG (likely Cannon) will threaten prison time or charge with treason or insurrection with anyone who attempts to continue any cases against him

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.

[–] darthy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (9 children)

After the election results and looking at Elon for past few months, I'm starting to think Trump isn't the problem. It won't matter if he stays or not. USA has got bigger knives in it's chest.

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[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I'm not sure who's ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

I think it's that he's really bad at the job. He can't keep people who disagree - or don't agree forcefully enough. He can't take advice, he's not that good at coming up with plans.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.

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[–] ROAGO@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The legal loophole is called maximum sentence.

But no, he was always going to get something like 2 years supervised parole.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People in the Netherlands once ate the prime minster (basically president). Just saying, there are options.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Even if this happens, we'd end up with JD Vance likely running the show which would also suck.

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[–] freewheel@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It's over.

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