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[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

Yeah. That's the problem.

Conservaturds: Make America Great AGAIN (implying it was great when there was slavery, or segregation, or sharecropping, or whatever it is in the past that they venerate so much)

Liberals: America Is ALREADY Great! (implying no further progress is needed and that our settler colonial empire is basically an ideal society)

Nobody in power is willing to say America Has Always Been Shit

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 105 points 1 week ago

"to hate the country that put them where they are."

Yeah, mostly in debt and living in other people's basements and garages without any hope of having their own place or a wage that's worth a shit. So yeah, America is doing a pretty great job at making Americans hate America.

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

1970

We're in danger of producing an educated prolitariat. That's dynamite! We have to be selective on who we allow to go through (higher education)

  • Roger Freeman, professor of economics and advisor to President Reagan

Denial of education will leave many perceiving violence as the only practical means of change.

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 54 points 1 week ago

The ghoul does have a point. Educating the proletariat is not a precondition for revolution, but a literate, and educated proletariat does make radicalization easier.

Hence why Russia, China, Cuba, All the successful socialist revolutions started educating people, and boosting literacy rates, as soon as they got into power.

When you grant people access to education, which has typically served as a gateway, as a way to deny social advancement; and then people don't socially advance, they start to question the rest of the system. In my opinion, this is one reason that your average 20-year-old is far more skeptical of the capitalist regime, then your average 60-year-old. One grew up in an America where was possible to advance after gaining a highly subsidized education, the other went into extreme debt for an education that gives them nothing.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

where young people are: buried in debt, unable to afford literally anything or any type of life for themselves, unable to afford to have a family. no prospects or hopes and nothing to look forward to except work tomorrow for the rest of our lives. america is teaching us to hate america because the lie these bourgeois piggies sell us about america plainly does not align with our actual material reality and conditions

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This one for you Mr. Mayor.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago

That's in the Bible. nerd

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not a fantasy. They are living it.

The US is not a weak country, its not poor in terms of capital or resources, it is not small or isolated, and it is not incapable of innovation. Far from it, it's number two in most of these areas, number 1 at least in terms of capital. It is also a deeply unequal country that is unable to face down even one of its contradictions.

Latin America is a truly awesome place if you're already rich. And so is the USA.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

As I used to say as a teenage succdem. “But hey, we sure know how to treat a billionaire.”

[–] Blottergrass@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need universal healthcare. Our children are being radicalized by the private healthcare system. HELP REDUCE POLITICAL RADICALIZATION AND STOCASTIC TERRORISM, SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR ALL!!!!

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

FDR did the unthinkable and saved capitalism by making strategic concessions and even compromising with socialist movements.

The modern porks wouldn’t even think of voting away their subsidies for their own good.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something today's liberals can't do is cooperate with the left. Even über conservative "loyal to the crown" Churchill understood Britain would have to ally with the Soviets in order to beat the Germans. FDR was especially open to working with communists, whether Ho Chi Minh or Stalin, because of how difficult the invasion of Japan was going to be. If the US was to maintain its position as the colonial power in Asia, only total capitulation of Japan would allow for that to happen.

Liberals right now are completely incapable of cooperating with anything except the fascists who want to stab them in the back the moment they can get away with it. Liberals are working against their own interests because they're too high on their own supply of American exceptionalism. They think a trade war with China will favor the US. They're willing to cut themselves off from Latin America. Probably the most horrifying is the idea America can win a nuclear exchange against multiple countries.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Even if we “won” a nuclear exchange with multiple countries we’d all be losing.

[–] anindefinitearticle@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

US politicians have been pretty clear with their actions that they are all in on Capitalism's downfall by its overgrowth from autocanniballizing the country's democracy, so long as they get rich on it. It's the Red Tide model of ecosystem collapse. I am resigned to the idea that our response will be to grab the snow shovels and close our noses to the stink of rotting fish in the hot sun to clear our boat ramps (launch pads) instead of preventing the fish (us) from dying in the first place.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m starting to wonder how many CEOs need to be human sacrificed into a volcano before the metaphorical rains come.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"SAVE CEO LIVES!

SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR ALL!"

is honestly hilarious. it would be very fun on tshirts and bumper stickers.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago

The country that "put them where they are".

Where are they Mayor? Perpetual debt. Hopeless. No future except to be bleed dry by private crapital as their bodies break down and you suck every dime and then some so there is nothing to pass on or even survive your last years in dignity?

A world that hates us and is shutting the door to us because our leadership sanctions everyone that doesn't allow Wall Street to ravish their country or some crybaby billionaire can't save 5% on their portfoilio or we blow up the other half of the world.

A world where the USD is undergoing hyperinflation and you keep denying the reality?

A world where home ownership is now a joke even with advanced technical degrees.

Just die-motherfucker

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"...hate the country that put them where they are"

Mf do you know where i am to talk about me?

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

Where did it put them? Where?!

big-honk

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope dems lose new york just so maybe they understand how totally sick of their shit everybody is.

Literally, with dems like these who.needs republicans.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

understand

Democrats tend to not

[–] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

- Upton Sinclair

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago
[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

the country that put them where they are.

I agree, it’s America’s fault my life was ruined and I cannot wait to leave.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

Most of the petite bourgeoisie does believe that America is great and that everyone should be thankful for the position they have in life.

So, no I don’t think it’s gaslighting, I think it’s propaganda from the ruling class and blissful ignorance from the people who think the middle class exists.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It's so insulting that they think of us as dumb farm animals who couldn't possibly have the wherewithal to be driven to action against our overlords without the sinister hand of some foreign spectre. "Put us where we are", Hey buddy, I want to do the things I want to do because this country put me where I am, ever think of that?

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

"They're being taught to hate the country that put them where they are"

Where they are: crushing medical debt with chronic pain, scared of becoming homeless and murdered like Jordan Neely, whose killer roams free

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

It's a tale as old as time. Apparently a lot of people thought King Louis XVI was cool and totally wanted to help the people but he was being sabotaged by his wife and the nefarious Austrians. Same thing with the Tsar and the nefarious Germans. It's always a foreign enemy.

if they admit in a public newspaper that you have agency yourself, it might inspire other people to follow in your footsteps. so they make it seem as if it was some orchestrated russian attack. this way, they can also unite the people "against a common enemy". it's a known scheme to distract from internal problems. and it's working; more than working.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah I live near yuppies these days. It's like talking to an alien, they really think it's great here lol.

If you're from a well off family with a good job and not stuck in a debt cycle with no medical problems, mental or otherwise it probably feels fine.

You can like see the look in the eyes of the folks near me who have gone through the shit and the ones that were born into living in a decent area if you know what you're looking for.

Oh no! They're radicalized and we have to stop it? What are they saying?

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

Let's make them hate america more

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh god if it hasn’t happened already, some maybe-later-kiddo maybe-later-honey liberal is going to argue that luigi-dance was brainwashed by the Russians into adjusting Thompson.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

oh there's a whole documentary about this, I think it's called Captain America: Winter Soldier

[–] deforestgump@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago
[–] MothDogDodgerolls@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

No mayor, if that IS your real name... It's cause of the real life human beings who are dying on the street because people are so fucked up they'd rather have hundreds get murdered by the state by poverty than to provide actual social protections. but sure the big bad boogieman is soooo scary oh look out guys its the video games oooOO MAYOR

[–] TheChemist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sounds like they weren't humbled by things like high rent, an oversaturation of college degrees becoming decreasingly useful, no healthcare. There is very little to look forward to these days if you aren't wealthy.

[–] Vingst@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

eric adams going for that trump pardon

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago
[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems like being a Republican is a get out of jail free card.

Elon Musk had the sexual assaults and other legal troubles. All of a sudden he's a conservative.

Trump had huge debt and failing businesses and shady money laundering schemes and non payment of people he employees. Now he's a republican.

And now mayor Adams is going Republican too.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems like being a Republican is a get out of jail free card.

More like being rich.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

You're right. I was only half way there.