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KEY POINTS

  • Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, whom President-elect Donald Trump appointed to lead a new government efficiency team, said they intend to call federal employees back to the office five days a week.
  • Companies such as Amazon and The Washington Post are adopting a similar policy in 2025.
  • But many companies will keep remote or hybrid work arrangements, largely because they boost profits, economists said.
  • Some view return-to-office mandates as a stealthy way to reduce employee head count.
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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

HE'S WORKING FROM FUCKING MARALAGO FUCK YOU

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Covid - the best times of our lives

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If COVID was the best, just wait till bird flu gets here.

[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They probably won’t lock down again. It will be full steam ahead for the economy. Keep throwing bodies into the burner.

All hail the Economy. We must sacrifice the plebs to make sure the Economy continues to award those at the top.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 273 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Billionaires need to be taxed out of existance.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 152 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's certainly one of the two ways.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 81 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Elon is probably only carrying that child on his shoulders all the time now as a human shield.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I thought he was practicing to do that with Trump.

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[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I’ve been working remotely long before the pandemic and I will continue to do so - I’m far from being alone in that. Also, we are still in the “covid-era”, we just collectively decided to pretend we aren’t.

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ok, let's say it is a covid-era privilege. Why does that mean it has to go away? Why can't it be a modern day innovation? Isn't it a curb on vehicle emissions? More spending money in people's wallets if they're not paying for gas or coffee or meals on the go due to commuting? What's the fuckin downside?? We stumbled upon a good thing

Oh fuck, I forgot the real estate prices. My bad. Yea let's cancel this whole thing

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 48 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You forgot, it saves people 30 mins - 2 hours every day. What are they going to do with that time? Enjoy themselves? Advocate for their own interests?

No, clearly this cannot stand

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[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

It’s also incredibly fucked up that they’re worried about real estate prices falling in an economy where so many are having a problem paying rent or owning a house.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Isn’t it a curb on vehicle emissions?

Welllll, Elon owns a large share of a company that makes vehicles. So the more people drive, the better for him.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago
[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 153 points 2 days ago

Neither of these assholes have ever had a real job. Not even a high paying real job.

Billionaires are a problem.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 117 points 2 days ago (7 children)

As someone who was mostly remote since 2015 I’m pretty confused

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 89 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Clearly you're living a life of luxury and privilege unlike ordinary hard-working folk like... (tries to keep straight face)... Elon Musk.

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 37 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Doing drugs and shit-posting is hard work.

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Funny part is that for a few of those years I was actually helping Tesla and SpaceX as part of my fully remote job.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Me too. Musk can't actually manage people, but he can pretend more convincingly if he can see them in person and yell at them. There are a lot of managers like that and there are far more executives.

My company looked at the actual business results from the period of COVID remote work. Productivity went up, so they decided to keep things that way. It also allowed them to get rid of all their office space, except for a sparsely populated headquarters building, which is saving them a lot of money.

Most studies have shown that workers were more efficient when working remotely. Why would any executive want to reduce efficiency and increase infrastructure costs? The Return-To-Office push is not rational. It represents an inability to adapt to changing conditions. If boards were doing their jobs, they would be quietly showing those executives the door and looking for better people to run their companies.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Commercial real estate. That's why.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can Musk please, please, please, just fucking die already? Preferably burnt to death while trapped in a cybertruck. He's just so stupid and has too much power, and I'm tired of people treating him like he's worth more than utter contempt.

Ramaswamy can go, too. Conspiracy theory peddling sycophant.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The company I work for is pushing almost all of IT to WFH so they can get rid of all the office space they're renting. It actually kind of sucks for me because I don't like working from home.

[–] greenkarmic@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Give it a some time. I didn't like it the first 3 months. Now I'd never go back.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago

You mean the "privilege" of working from home so tech CEOs could make billions of dollars?

Obviously billions of dollars is just the result of hard work and not a privilege at all.

[–] Norgoroth@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Musk and ramoswamy are foreign invader trash and they should go back to exploiting their own shitty countries. Fucking scum. Deport these counts or throw them in a detention center with no toilet. MAGA

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy's entire existence is a privilege.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They thank us by directly using their endless wealth to fuck us out of our last bit of political/economic power

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rip Disabled people I guess.

And this is coming from the same peoppe saying “just get a job”.

You gotta provide accomodations my guy.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

stupid control freaks. Because controlling of their employees is what RTO is about, control and paranoia.

They are stupid paranoid control freaks who fear that their neat buildings stand empty and they cant just throw work at their wage slaves. So this is actually about control, paranoia, and vanity.

[–] hondaguy97386@sh.itjust.works 62 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The stupid thing is I actively do less work in the office.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

I actively do less work in the office.

This is known. It's been proven; for introverts and/or ADHD especially, since the interaction is stressful and/or completely disturbing. The difference is stark.

But, for extroverts, the office can be where they thrive, and it's the environment that lures them in. So unless they adapt (what? Them? But adapting is for the introverts who run the shit) quickly, they're gonna be fish outta water in short order.

There's absolutely no automatic tangible benefit to RTO for those jobs that are remote capable (ie anything at a desk with no customer interface). Only a subset works marginally better with people to disturb, and I'll question even that number or the benefit. The only reason they want you back in is this lie about being unable to manage your ass unless they can see your ass -- which is the creepiest way to cover for "sunk cost fallacy" for the space lease.

But yeah, keep some space for extroverts who can't cope. It's us being the better people about it.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Almost all desk work should be ad hoc.

Get your shit done. Then do what ever until there's more work to do.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (8 children)

That and they don't understand how to manage people remotely.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

One of the benefits of working from home has been that my manager can no longer use standing staring at me as his main means of judging whether I'm doing work. The whole business of needing to see people working just smacks of shitty management.

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[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What i don't get in all of this: There are already companies that did go out of business because too many people just left, due to them not being able to do WFH. Personally, I do like going to the office 1-2 times a week, but even I would leave the company if the got rid of WFH completely. There's near full employment everywhere, especially tech companies already have to go the extra mile to get people to work for them. Why would anyone stay at a company that does not do WFH, if that's one thing they got to enjoy?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago

This is why they're also fighting for those visas. They want to hire people but don't want to pay US wages. And when your residency depends on your employment, you're going to be much less likely to call out bullshit or whatever

These large tech companies are relying upon their brand to keep talent. Amazon and the rest all believe people will put up with shit to have their company listed on someone’s CV.

Or it’s all about quiet layoffs.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"I'll be in the office when Elon is in the office."

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah is this guy showing up to Tesla, Twitter, and SpaceX every single day?

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He needs us more than we need him.

he should probably let that sink in.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

First remote job I had was in 2010 making barely more than minimum wage for tier 1 phone support. These guys are off their rockers.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

I worked at a national company of some fame for nearly 20 years. They have two main offices, one in the midwest and one in New England. Before COVID, it was common for folks to work from home, spread across the United States. We even had some fringe cases where people lived in England or Japan and worked from there. I don't work there anymore, but I hear post covid they are forcing people to move and work from the office. It really is leadership brain rot, everywhere, regardless of industry.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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