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You guys really don't get that your voting system only leads to two parties. As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that's just a mathematical reality.
It is true that both of these two parties are terrible. However, D is slightly less terrible as R. If you stop voting for D and go for X which is theoretically objectively better, R will always win. So a vote for X is effectively a vote for R.
Yes, if suddenly all D voters would move to X, then X would win. But this is simply not realistic. The only realistic way for change is for the slightly better party of the two to always win, which would make R die out. Then a farther left party will emerge, that might even want to change to ranked choice voting. If not, the whole spiel has to be repeated until D dies out because of never winning.
This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes. Even the French revolution didn't just suddenly happen, hundreds of years of starting to understand how terrible monarchy was and building the knowledge of alternate systems among the general populace was required. The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.
No it isn't! No it fucking isn't! There is no scenario where not voting for Trump is voting for Trump. This is the stupidest fucking thing the liberals have latched on to and keep repeating and it's truly an embarrassment that so many people repeat it. The only way to vote for Trump is to vote for Trump. Not voting isn't a vote of any kind. Voting for third parties is voting for third parties. You can pretend to do a logic puzzle where not voting for Trump means you're voting for Trump, but you're still a fucking clown for doing it and nobody with any sense is going to take your imaginary logic puzzle with anything but pity for you.
The only way this liberal logic works is if you assume leftists owe a vote to Democrats by default, so not voting for the Democrats means they've lost your vote that they rightfully owned in the first place. It's so goofy. No one is losing anything if I never intended to vote for genocide. If liberals can't come up with a good reason for me to vote for their particular Hitler, that's on them, not me.