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Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.

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[–] tripopov@discuss.online 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Moving forward, we don’t need oppressors. It’s possible to do it as a community. We can all get along.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

HAHAHA.
What is this nonsense? Do you suggest the people under your colonial bondage just get along with their oppressors? Or that workers hold hands with the capitalists?

What do you suggest people of Vietnam should have done? Korea? Cuba? Laos? China?

[–] tripopov@discuss.online 1 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Clearly the governments who control people need to be removed. I thought that was obvious, but… I guess not. I don’t think they need to be replaced with another oppressive government. I think it should be given to the people. You keep telling me what I think… and you keep getting it wrong.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 7 hours ago

Clearly the governments who control people need to be removed.

They need to be removed? Wow who will do the removing? Sounds very authoritarian, just removing governments like that. I'm sorry but I can't support that.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 12 hours ago

Hahaha okay, I get it, you're 14. We were all 14 once.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I think it should be given to the people

SO DO WE! That's why we advocate for Democracy

[–] tripopov@discuss.online 1 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

You might, but that’s not the vibe I’m getting from the above comments advocating for an oppressive government. I really don’t get the “tell them what they think” tactic. It just makes them look intolerant and illiterate.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

You might, but that’s not the vibe I’m getting

Do you not know what a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" actually means? Do you think it just means "A dictator is in charge, but the kind we like?"

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 7 points 7 hours ago

NOBODY HAS ADVOCATED FOR AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO POSTIONS PRESENTED AT ALL YOU HAVE ADVOCATED FOR NOTHING SO HOW THE FUCK WOULD OTHERS ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING? PLEASE STATE YOUR FUCKING OPINION ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND SAYING "I AGREE" IS FUCKING MEANINGLESS WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT IT IS YOU AGREE WITH OR WHAT YOU AGREE WITH IT ABOUT

[–] miz@hexbear.net 2 points 6 hours ago

pro tip: the differently colored text indicates a link you can click on

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

You are literally saying that the governments that fought against colonialism were/are oppressive, and then you go 'I don't actually think that!'

You are also yet to explain what the victims of your colonialism should have done.
By the way, this includes Nazi German settler-colonial genocide that targeted, among others, a group I belong to. Please, tell me how much you would love for my family to be enslaved and worked to death, infant.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Clearly the governments who control people need to be removed.

So that NATO can invade them again and resubjugate them as your near-slaves?
How about no, and how about you stop pretending that you know what's best for the people your empire has harmed and has been harming?

I don’t think they need to be replaced with another oppressive government.

You are yet to remove any of the governments of the colonial metropoles, while storing with colonial oppressors at every turn.
If you want to stop the oppression of the world outside of the Imperial core, you need to do at least something about the states of said core. So far it is only the spooky MLs and other communists that you hate so much who do something viable regarding the matter, including having the 'oppressive' governments that defend their people against your empire.

You are yet to expiration what you think the people in Vietnsm, Cuba, Korea, etc. should have done, and why antagonising us and helping your empire is higher on your priority list than replacing your governments with something else.

[–] tripopov@discuss.online 1 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

You seem to like blaming people for things they don’t actually have direct control of.

You say I want slaves, but I obviously don’t.

You ask why I haven’t removed the government… like I have the button?

It’s very clear you’re not interested in world where everyone comes together. You want a few people to suffer first. And that’s where we differ.

Everything you’re saying about me is wrong. It doesn’t make me feel bad. It just makes you look intolerant.

Say more about how I want to colonize things so I can laugh.

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[–] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I don't mean to imply the use of the "r" word, but are you... like actually cognitively impaired? Do you struggle with linking thoughts together, unironically? Maintaining a train of thought? It's completely fine if you do, no shame at all, but I would appreciate it if you told us if that was the case, because I am genuinely confused at what you think is going on. Knowing wether or not you're struggling with short term memory loss or something would be a great help in furthering this discussion to a positive and productive space or getting you the help you seem to need.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 11 points 11 hours ago

You seem to like blaming people for things they don’t actually have direct control of.

You have full control over you coming here, antagonising us, and talking about how communists in the rest of the world should have no defense against your empire.

You claim that those governments are/were oppressive, but you are yet to present any viable alternative. Just vague 'oh, they should just have no governments', completely unsupported by history.

You say I want slaves, but I obviously don’t.

Cool. How do you suggest the rest of the world stops subjugation by your empire - which western anarchists like you have not only done nothing against, but have even supported? And do consider that if your suggestion is unsupported by history, you are just being unserious.

So far, it seems that you just want NATO to restore the old colonial gold over the rest of the world.

You ask why I haven’t removed the government… like I have the button?

Why do you want the rest of the world to follow your vision that is unsupported by history that you (plural) have never managed to achieve anywhere, and while being completely against what had worked and what has massively improved people's lives, then? You have no examples to show, and you argue that the rest of the world should be rid of defenses against you.

It’s very clear you’re not interested in world where everyone comes together.

The USSR was one of the most consistent and successful forces in having most of the world come together to fight colonialism. You argue that that was 'oppressive'.

You want a few people to suffer first

You quite literally want for people to suffer under capitalism until you somehow topple every government (somehow, while doing nothing and while supporting the states and people who suppress any sort of change for good that does not involve getting rid of governments immediately), and are unwilling to support any changes for the better until then.

Everything you’re saying about me is wrong.

You literally claimed that the movements that fought against colonialism and capitalism successfully were somehow had and oppressive.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 10 points 11 hours ago

It just makes you look intolerant.

Haha. You are literally opposed to the liberation of Vietnam, Korea, Mozambique, Cuba, etc., because the liberation movements were 'oppressive'.