This pissed me off so fucking much when people defend Christianity by saying that all of the bad shit is in the Old Testament and that the New Testament is totally fine.
1 Corinthians 6:9
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"
Gay people and gender non-conforming people are not allowed in to heaven
1 Peter 3:1
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands;"
It's still an extremely misogynistic book even in the new testament
Romans 1:26-27 ... 32
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
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Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
Both homophobia and misogyny
I could go on and on, and I probably will in the comments, but it's pretty fucking clear that all the nasty bigoted shit in the book just doesn't go away in the New Testament
You cannot separate the bigotry from the Bible. The Bible is very clear that you cannot pick and chose, that you have to accept the full book or none of it, you can't just take the verses you like and still be Christian. To be a good Christian who follows the entire Bible you must be bigoted
I wrote a whole damn rant only for them to lock the thread before I could post it so I'm putting it here (probably before this thread gets locked again)
I agree that modern leftists cut organized religion way too much slack these days. It's simply false in first place (hot take? It's not the 18th century), and promoting or tolerating belief in a false thing is damaging to the intellectual, philosophical, and dare I say even spiritual development of an individual. But i get it, you have one chance at life, and religion is cope for those humans whose lives suck. I don't hate the religious, I sympathize, just like I sympathize with literal opium addicts for the same reason, but scientific socialists (aka Marxists) should be agitating for people to get clean of the shit that is holding back their revolutionary potential.
And Marxists trying to stan Jesus Christ as a proto-communist is some of the cringest shit ever. Jesus would askew "earthly" political ideologies and just build a cult around himself, like he did historically. Just because a guy wants to hand out free bread doesn't make his philosophy not diametrically opposed to communism. He would tell any worker's party to go fuck itself for playing god. But there is no heavenly salvation for the blessed nor punishment eternal for the greedy parasites, the only justice that exists is what the oppressed and working classes seizes for itself in life. Christianity and all religions (except arguably semi-athesitic ones like Buddhism) impede that and frankly Marxists shouldn't be ideologically assimilating that nonsense at all.
I really only give Islam a pass from me complaining about it (plenty of problems there too ofc) because the biggest capitalist empires seem to fucking hate it and in turn I respect Muslims' resilience and how much trouble they manage to cause for the imperialists in response. Respect the grind as they say. Also the Wudu ritual is/was innovative from a public health perspective which I enjoy, but it really shouldn't take belief in God to get people to wash their damn hands regularly. Same with Christianity and not being a raging, selfish asshole to your neighbors, though that doesn't seem to be as strictly followed anyway so what good is it? But imo it is proof of the dire state of the left that the most powerful counter-hegemonic force out there right now is Islam when labor exploitation keeps getting worse. (China is still not counter-hegemonic yet, maybe one day, maybe not)
But if the Christians want to keep a mostly dead community around here it doesn't really matter to me, hexbear is not an exclusively Marxist website anyway. But leftists shouldn't act like they can "co-opt" religion, you're the one who is going to get your ideology co-opted, churches aren't ignorant to that shit and aren't gonna let you cut in on their action ("their flock") without a fight. And why should they? the priests did all the work attracting all their donors, Marxists should get off their asses again and rebuild authentic workers' organizations instead of trying and failing to grift off the world's most successful charlatans who will see right through your coup plotting.
To back up your point, Jesus was almost certainly a Jewish apocalypticist, i.e. that the end of the world is coming very soon, so follow me and you’ll end out on top when it’s all sorted. Jesus’ claims about sharing wealth and not storing it up has more to do with the fact that he didn’t believe that there would be time to even spend it. And sharing it was just a way for the cult around him to survive better. If Jesus was a socialist then so was David fucking Koresh.
comm request for c/branchdavidian?
with islam in particular you also have the history of the west propping up the worst versions of it because they were anticommunist. step one of liberation is getting the western boot off their necks, afghani feminism basically lost 20 years because of the occupation.