this post was submitted on 26 Apr 2025
76 points (98.7% liked)
Movies & TV
23232 readers
273 users here now
Rules for Movies & TV Discussion
-
Any discussion of Disney properties should contain a (cw: imperialism) tag. If your post isn't tagged appropriately it will be removed.
-
Anti-Bong Joon-ho trolling will result in an immediate ban from c/movies and submitted to the site administrators for review.
-
On Star Trek Sunday only posts discussing how we might achieve space communism are permitted. Non-Star Trek related content will be removed and you will be temporarily banned until the following Sunday.
Here's a list of tons of leftist movies.
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Please what is Vader be able to do? If he does anything else than force choke some rando and does standard "bad ass" lines, the fanboys will cry about it. He has no politics, no culture, no ideas, no purpose (especially modern vader), he is a "great man" that is just enforcing palps will, which we already have enough of.
Again going back to RLM but Mike explained it best when he said Vader was more of an enforcer like an ss officer in nazi germany than space jesus or space john wick.
It's even called out in the original trilogy in the first film lmao.
"...your sad devotion to that ancient religion."
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
This is one of the most famous scenes and one of the most quoted lines in the whole series. Even in-universe, people talk shit to Vader straight to his face about being nothing more than the Emperor's attack dog when he needs someone competent to do some evil shit.
In universe jedi & sith are seen as religious cults. In KOTOR the sith-jedi war is called “Jedi Civil War” because people think its about jedi fighting over “doctrine”.
Yeah, Vader in the first SW movie was more like hired muscle instead of the Emperor's right hand man. He's subservient to Tarkin and he's openly mocked by Imperial officers throughout the movie. Certainly not someone who's basically second in command of the whole Empire.
I'm sure something in the canon explained its way around this, but it's obvious that George Lucas didn't have the backstories of these characters planned from the beginning like he'd claimed.
If the SS had pagan occult magics like some consipracists say, they'd still be the SS. Vader can be an evil wizard and also a space nazi.
Himmler build a larp nazi arthurian pagan castle in wewelsburg because it was a nexus of the spirits of fallen saxon warriors or something- replace saxon with sith and that’s very much palps.
The most you can do with him is have him be like a horror movie monster where he shows up and kills a bunch of rebels who are helpless before him. But you gotta build up to that by making us care about the rebels in question so we feel bad when they get murked.
Fallen Order uses him somewhat like this (light spoilers) - he turns up at the end and all you can do is run the fuck away as he uses his monstrous force powers to tear the station around you apart (with partially destroyed terrain providing a convenient route to safety, of course). Definitely a top 5 Vader moment, along with the corridor scene at the end of Rogue One and "Then you shall die braver than most" in Rebels.
I'd watch that. Basically Jason with psionics.
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached. Which in the 70s makes for good movie villain and idiotic political premise, but alas, george lucas has been vindicated again
perfect but also thanks I hate it
That's also what Palpy seemed to want out of the guy and what was needed. He couldn't go around force lightninging everybody, he had boring admistrative evil to do. Like naming surgical reconstruction centre's after himself. Vader is his thug, he's the Luca Brasi of the empire. Making Anakin an awkward creepy idiot in the prequels (aside from phantom menace but his role in that was 'kid') does flow well into Vader as character. It wasn't compelling or fun to watch but I guess there is some logic to it.