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Lots of parts of the American empire don't get to send senators, like Puerto Rico and DC. Iraq is brown enough that even if we had annexed it officially we'd have done so in a nonvoting kind of way
They do actually send Senators, but they don't vote. I think that it would be harder in the present day (maybe less so now with the number of reactionary judges, but American judicial precedent had been trending since the 60s to be more democratic and free for people until the 90s) to pull off another American Samoa.
I say this because there are Trump-appointee judges reviving long-defunct legal precedents to support their ideological crusade to reshape America from some semblance of a liberal democracy into a fascist dictatorship – citing decisions upholding the Japanese Exclusion Act to uphold laws like Florida's that ban Chinese people from buying property.
That absolutely does not count. Nonvoting Senators are not Senators.
It's still factually different from not sending Senators at all, which is all I'm saying.
No it is not
It is? In one situation, a Senator is sent. The other, one is not. Therefore, factually different.
Things being immoral or wrong ≠ things being untrue
A "Senator" that does not vote is not a Senator, therefore no Senator has been sent.
That's...not how it works? IDK what else to say in such a steadfast denial of reality.
Sending some person they call a senator to congress doesn't make that person an actual "senator" as the word is used and understood. Nobody here misunderstands what you're trying to say, it's just that trying to argue that they are still technically senators is fucking stupid.
Why do NTs never say what they mean? Oversimplifying to the point of inaccuracy is fucking stupid to me.
PR does not send senators, not even non-voting ones. they have a single nonvoting rep in the house.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_commissioner_of_Puerto_Rico
edited, I guess DC does send non-voting senators
Right, I think I said Senators because I thought it was the same as DC. Not that a non-voting representative or senator matters either way – but the fact that you pointed it out should demonstrate that I wasn't unreasonable for pointing out the initial difference in the US not actually annexing Iraq (although I fully believe that ~90 years earlier, the US probably would have pulled a Philippines, but I think that the UN, especially as more former colonies joined, caused superpowers to engage in more proxy wars over outright wars over who owns the dirt).