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submitted 1 year ago by MCU_H8ER2@hexbear.net to c/memes@hexbear.net

Seriously though, the USA is virtually always bad.

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Love that you completely ignored the part where the US involvement led to them brutalizing and murdering countless completely innocent civilians. That part is pretty inconvenient to your argument that they were somehow the good guys here so yeah it is a pretty safe bet to ignore it. I'd love to hear you defend it though I'm sure you'll do Uncle Sam proud

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

But it's irrelevant to the question. The question was whether it was good the US joined WWII. Even accounting for the atrocities, I don't know anyone who would say the US shouldn't have joined the war.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

No the question was is there a time when the US was objectively good. You used WW2 as an example. And then ignored all the completely heinous shit the US did during WW2.

[-] Lochat@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

SIR, MY PUBLIC EDUCATION HISTORY CLASS SAID WE WERE HEROES AFTER FORCING ME TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLIEGANCE EVERY MORNING, HOW DARE YOU QUESTION DROPPING NUKES ON CIVILIANS, PARTICULARLY THE SECOND ONE WHERE JAPAN'S SURRENDER ALREADY WENT FROM INEVIETABLE TO UNDENIABLE AFTER THE FIRST. I AM A HERO BY VIRTUE OF BEING BORN IN AMERICA. A "FEW" HORRIFIC, CIVILIAN MASS MURDERS IS MY DEFINITION OF OBJECTIVELY GOOD.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

But it can still be objectively good they joined even taking into account the atrocities. It doesn't need to be all good to be good over all.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I disagree. A Soviet victory without US involvement would have been objectively better.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

They weren't objectively good though, as has been explained to you. "Even accounting the atrocities" is the thing that makes them not objectively good.
Learn what words mean please

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Whether something is good or not is inherently subjective, dingus

[-] Lochat@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, he asked if they were objectively good in that war, which they weren't even fucking close. At best they were a grey-moralist lesser of two evil, but the fact you conflate that with "good" is exactly why you'll never comprehend any situation with any nuance. In your mind it's always "WW2 USA GOOD GUYS SAVED WORLD" like some lead-poisoned brain damaged boomer desperately trying to live voraciously through low-rent nationalist propaganda. I'd say, yes, America was the lesser of two evils compared to Nazi Germany and Japan, and the fact that's the closest you can get to "good" and the political parties you need to compare yourself to, to look better in comparison to someone, proves Infamousblt's point.

The closest to "objectively good" America's actions has been in a situation is "well, it's not as bad as letting Nazi Germany take over all of Europe" and that's not good, that's horror.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

The closest to "objectively good" America's actions has been in a situation is "well, it's not as bad as letting Nazi Germany take over all of Europe" and that's not good, that's horror.

That's just the largest example that comes to mind.

I thought the question was 'has the US done any good actions,' which would qualify WWII. If instead the question was asking 'has the US done any actions that are entirely and completely perfect' I would say no nation has.

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