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Listen, it doesn't hurt to avoid ableist language. You can absolutely still insult someone without it. "Dumbass" does not have to be a load bearing part of your vocabulary.
Skill issue
There's a difference between being rude and being ableist. Why do chuds suck? It isn't because they're not smart, which wouldn't exactly be in their power to change were that the problem.
It's because they're hateful, closed-minded, unwilling to listen, immature, reactionry, cause tangible harm to our comrades, and stand in the way of any progress or revolution. They choose to do these things and can choose to do different things.
Isn't "harmless insult" like an oxymoron or something
It might be if you’re 4 and someone called you a poopy head
No.
"Dumb" actually can be argued to be ableist in its etymology since it comes from people who couldn't speak (similar to "Lame"). If anything dumb is worse than stupid is.
There’s a history of bigotry behind every word in the English language. It’s a language made by and for bigots. A language forged in the fire of colonial world domination and liberal rationalism that justified it. I’m sorry but you will never escape using words that have a history of bigotry behind them if you speak English and live in the west. If you keep cutting out words you will just be left stunted and unable to communicate without sounding like a total dork and still be speaking the language of colonizers anyway, just speaking oddly.
To be clear, this isn’t a carte blanche to just drop whatever slurs you want. You obviously still should be mindful to not be insulting and offensive and gross. However, where are the massive populations of people who actually, really think that “stupid” is akin to the n-word or something and a slur? Nobody actually thinks that.
I agree with this, but you don't.
So which is it? Does historical etymology matter or does current use and meaning? Again, the vast majority of people do not find "Stupid" to be a bigoted phrase associated bigotry. The current, descriptivist definition in how it's actually used is not bigoted so you criticized it on it's history. Then you say the history doesn't matter but how it's used?
Updooted on hooxbear, never thought I'd see the day of the prescriptivists
descriptivism = good, correct
prescriptivism = bad, the opposite of correct
I agree your statement isn't descriptivist, it's prescriptivist, which is why it's not correct. Hope that clears things up.
It is probably better in the long run if we develop ways of expressing ourselves without insults tbh
"You can't do anything if you can't do everything"
You sure sound like a chud, or a redditor.
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO NO MATTER HOW LITTLE EFFORT IT WOULD TAKE TO IMPROVE SOMEWHAT
Really, I wouldn't have dreamed I would see someone getting dogpiled for this take, which would have been uncontroversial here 2 months ago. Federation has been a disaster for hexbear culture
I'm a 6-month user here and the OP of this silly take is a federated user so it seems you're confused
I'm a three year user here and I'm definitely not confused. The incidence of ableist language has gone up significantly since federation.
The comments defending the ableist term have since been removed. I don't know what the significance of the op being from lemmygrad is supposed to be.
For the purpose of talking past you:
There's thoughtlessly using a minor ableist term, and then there's doubling down and defending it's use when asked not to.
Having an ableist mindset is not only harmful to your comrades but also harmful to our movement itself.
An ableist mindset:
You see chuds saying shit like:
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Play stupid games win stupid prizesYou can insult people without being reactionary. If you find that difficult it is your own skill issue not "tone policing"
It's your skill issue too as demonstrated in your post history. Rules for me but not for thee, and "reaction" is when you point this out instead of just knee-jerk banning 3 year users for the same crime as you also commit. Again "doubling down" is when people disagree with you instead of just crumpling to your one-sided attacks that are not evenly applied.
I am evidently talking past you because you cannot address the core issue here. Every user on this website says stupid, and uses insults. You are ignoring the elephant in the room here if you really thought this was really an ableist slur you would need to escalate your crusade considerably and not just against me.
Have fun being banned loser.
-Mao Zedong
-Trotsky
-Marx
You owned me so good
For an encore; ask them their opinion on gay men.
-Fidel Castro, here's a man who reformed on LGBT+ rights and still called NATO military stupid in 2011. Lead the revolution that's at the forefront of global LGBT+ rights. I can find you a Diaz-Canel quote too if you like. Xi and KJU as well probably. Because literally everyone says stupid
Oh no are we going to lose people?
bye then!
https://hexbear.net/comment/3420829
"stupid shiny buttons"
bye bye to you too! my point proven in literally 20 seconds of browsing your history. Let's ban everyone
If we're linking comments now why don't you explain this?
https://hexbear.net/comment/3426609
Also did you check my modlog history yet?
Yes, that would be better we should be working to that.
Well, I appreciate the sentiment even if others don't and they do raise concerns which need to be addressed. In linguistics you can do a "linguistic corpus analysis" which is sorta seeing historically how language was used. If it's unambiguously used towards say disenfranchised individuals, or towards a group of people who are the ire at the time (think muslims or anyone from south asia or the middle east post 9/11, if there's a huge spike in usage with sentences including the word 'muslim' or 'terrorist', etc.) I think there's a good argument to be made. Otherwise it seems difficult to convince others it's a good idea.