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Unfortunately the idea that capitalism is made-up isn't new. It's something libertarians say. To them, socialists made up capitalism to couch their own political ideology. If the modern world is based on human nature, if economic laws are eternal and automatic, then there is no "ism", it's just what must happen, and therefore anything else (like socialism) is false and contrived.
lmao, this is exactly the same as when American Christian fundamentalists argue that Christianity isn't a religion but all the other religions are
WHAT lmao I havent seen that one either.
In footnote 34 of Capital vol 1 Marx quotes himself in this passage from The Poverty of Philosophy:
It was something about how atheism, science and other religions are beliefs but Christianity isn't because it's the truth or whatever the twisted logic pretzel was
Grew up in the Evangelical church - the way they always explained it to us is that it's not a religion (which is a dogmatic set of beliefs that one only obey because they are told to), but rather it's a personal relationship with Jesus, and you do the things he tells you to do only because you love him so much.
It also opens the door for some weird loopholes for dealing with apostates, since if you stop doing the things they tell you to, you must not truly have loved Jesus to begin with.
It really feels like they've honed the edge of the mind virus extra razor-sharp. Lots of wacky thought-terminating logic structures, kinda cool if it weren't so devious.
That thing about apostates actually reminds me of how CS treats it when faith healing fails. "They didnt really believe the truth" victim blamey nonesense.
Of course my mom, when i brought that up to her (well before i left the religion, just a brief burst of rebelion because i was studying it for a school project) she said that if that was my takeaway i "didnt really get it" so what do i know
(The woman was an abuser she loved the gaslighty part and wiedled it against me constantly lol)
I've also heard: conservatism isn't an ideology.
Centrist liberals excels at this at well. How often have you heard drivel like "ideologies are bad!" or "we just listen to the experts!"?
Media bias sites that treat centrism as neutrality.
I've had a coworker unironically tell me that capitalism doesn't exist in the US because government meddling prevents true capitalism from doing its thing.
He considers himself a libertarian, too.
Yeah I've heard that one too, especially in some of the reddit debatebro cesspools like /r/CapitalismVSocialism
It doesn't even matter if it's not "true" capitalism if "true" capitalism inevitably leads to monopoly and regulatory capture.