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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kinda, but for example soviet union didn't arrive natively to acceptance of gay people, despite it being null effect on economy one way or the other. So these atavisms can persist for 70 years or three generations without active fight. Same with neuro atypical people, left to its own devices it doesn't resolve itself.

And obviously conclusion of "we should mass relocate these people" cannot be arrived without some "those people be like this".

And usa experience of racial shenanigans at unions in 1890-1930s also doesnt point to automatic resolution.

Now, if you were to say that in process of struggle workers would become better educated on those issues, thats very true, but that requires minority comrades being there to educate them and fight with them

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean it seems to have worked that way for Cuba and China. The USSR for its faults was still better than it's historical contemporary of apartide US. Their policies are beyond what can be expected in most places in the US today so I am not really sure you are comparing relevant cases. So yes, it isn't a magic bullet, it does seem to do way more work than people give it credit for though.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

oh it was miles better (see pogroms dissappearance and also women liberation still persisting in former ussr to this day), but its important to keep in mind that resolution of class question doesn't solve brainworms questions (or not completely). I'm also more class first type of guy, so i try to keep in mind that it didn't work out that simple (and that im a white guy, and can miss stuff quite strongly)

A. reed is fairly good thinker, but got completely lost in trans acceptance issues.