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Someone is truly in here going nerd The hundreds of people gunned down daily is really a small percentage of the population so it's all just scaremongering. Several dozen people are upvoting it. I think I'm done with hexbear for a bit. Thanks for the fun posts, everyone

Being a child is criminalized. And the children are suffering. The point of childhood anymore doesn't seem to enjoy some innocence and learn life lessons and make mistakes in a loving or caring environment where you're shielded from most of the consequences. The purpose of childhood is to mold you into an ideal member of the proletariat. And to never ever misbehave, because the Eye in the Sky (whether that's your parents or the police state) is always watching and you'd better get used to it.

I've talked about the atrocious state of childrens' rights in this country, and had some really good discussion here about it. It's only getting worse. Don't walk or bike home from school, wait for your parent to come get you in an SUV. Don't go skateboarding, you hooligan. Don't hang out with friends or other kids in the neighborhood with only the admonition of being back before dark. Don't drink a beer, even as an adult- you'll go to jail. Don't host a party, you'll go to jail. Don't have awkward teenage sex. Don't go hang out downtown or explore the woods, you'll be raped and abducted and sold into slavery! Just stay home, on your phone where it's safe.

I fucking hate this. This shit honestly makes me despair more than climate change. I'm not sure why that is, obviously what we're doing to the climate could well spell the end of human civilization. I think I'm just really upset at this very clear, yet less dramatic impact of living in a fascist society. Being a child is criminalized.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"School shooting", as popularly understood, is an individual coming in to a school with the intent to kill as many kids as possible. That happens very rarely. Most of the shootings in schools are one kid shooting another kid, often over personal beefs.

Conflating the popular idea of a mass shooting - A lone gunman killing a lot of people, with every shooting in schools and every shooting where more than one or two people are injured has wildly, wildly skewed public perceptions of what gun violence looks like in the US. Mass shootings as understood by the public are a tiny fraction of all firearms violence; It is still, and always has been, overwhelmingly violence related to petty crime, and domestic violence. The focus on mass shootings, and the re-definition of what constitutes a "mass shooting", has totally replaced awareness that the vast, vast majority of all firearms violence in the US is poor kids shooting each other over petty crime shit.

To put this all in perspective; 70,000, that is seventy thousand, people are killed by firearms in the US each year. It's about half/half suicides and homocides. So out of 30-40k people murdered with guns each year in the US, about 100-150 of those killings happen in schools annually. And almost all of the killing, out of 70k dead and 30-40k murdered, is done with handguns. Long guns, especially ARs, are a tiny, tiny fraction. Like hundreds, not even thousands. Public perception of gun violence in the US is grotesquely distorted towards a media and political narrative that bears little relation to reality.

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

See I’m reading this and I think I’m coming to a maybe more nuanced conclusion, hopefully I don’t come across as nerd or berdly-smug here

Warning this enters full conspiracy theorist mode so take it very skeptically

I don’t think school shootings themselves are an overwrought phenomenon, in the sense that we have consistently had school shootings (as in, media-covered, disparate incidents) that were absolutely horrific, and as the Onion eloquently puts it, “does not happen consistently anywhere else in the world”.

But almost every single time, they were done by white, often right-wing, teens or adults. It was always bigots and Nazi’s, never kids who were unstable but otherwise politically apathetic or completely ignorant, as you’d expect from a kid.

But, like you said, a majority of these incidents in these reports are one on one violence or small-scale stuff, stuff that’s probably primarily caused by communities existing that have people who need to do crime to live due to economic disparity. So, racial minorities the US has ended up corralling into segregated, poorer areas.

So the entire point of it, media-wise, is to conflate these Nazi politically motivated mass killings with struggling kids. And, because these struggling kids are being coded as the scary dangerous outside forces (black people), it’s been signal-boosted absolutely everywhere because that’s what the media already loved scaremongering about.

So there doesn’t seem to be any scaremongering about school shootings, but scaremongering using a racist construction which utilized the cultural backdrop of school shootings to build itself. The point is, in all of its utter incredulity and base malice, just to make minority’s lives worse (with the fun side effect that we’re not talking about why Nazis (or anyone) keep shooting up schools every year! Don’t worry about it, it’s just Cultural Decay caused by those damn minorities! /s)

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

I pretty much agree. I think a lot of the emphasis on school shoots is Democrat strategy. They spent decades fruitlessly trying to scare white people with "inner city violence", gang violence, "urban youth", "super predators", "racial jungles". Between white flight and libs becoming slightly less shitty, along with just good old fashioned burn out, that fearmongering about black kids with hand guns became less and less effective over time. Colombine was what they needed to re-invigorate gun control and violence against youth as a political whip. Their triumphant gun control bill under Clinton was a big failure - It temporarily suppressed gun violence to an extent, but when it sunset under Bush things did not return to the status quo - Gun violence drastically increased. Since then their gun control efforts have had at best mixed success - California and some East Coast states have imposed draconian arms control laws. New York City, for instance, is safer than it's ever been, but it's also a horrifying police state in the grip of a 50,000 strong fascist army. You're not even allowed to carry a fucking pocket knife, and even years after Michael Bloomberg's frighteningly oppressive "Crimestat" the police still systematically and very effectively target minorities for harassment and repression. So it's safer, sorta, but I would hesitate to assign any one cause to that. I'm sure the total ban on arms played a large role, but one must also factor in ruthless repression of poor people, minorities, ruthless gentrification, and one of the most overfunded and repressive regime security forces in the world. I think the NYPD is like the worlds 6th or 8th largest and best funded standing army.

But stepping away from Gun Control taken at face value, ie gun control for the purpose of reducing violence, their shift has been an enormous success. Along with abortion they've successfully very sharply divided their base from the GOP base, turning huge numbers of people in to defacto single issue voters who are poorly informed and largely don't have any real understanding of the issue beyond the nightly spectacle of violence on social media. They've very successfully used it to whip fundraising and votes, promising results they've never delivered and giving their base a strong thought terminating cliche to use against dissenters; Anyone who opposes arms control is an evil maniac or a republican stooge. Anyone who opposes a blanket ban on AR15s, a weapon used in a miniscule fractions of all killings, is a psychopath. It very reliably shuts down any discussion of the real, major problems - hand guns, austerity, poverty. A commonly raised argument against Democrat gun control schemes is one that probably seems obvious to most leftists; The cops will use the laws as further justification for leveling state terror against minorities and poor people, while the ideologically motivated middlish class Nazis who actually carry out these shootings will be ignored. The gun control schemes will result in an enormous expansion of police power, but since the US operates on racial terror and economic violence, it will not achieve it's stated goal.

There was one interesting example, I'm not sure if it counts, but in Kenosha a black man leading a group of armed, mostly black people in patrolling the streets saw a group of people with rifles pointed at him hiding in the dark on top of a building. He pointed his weapon light at them to identify them. They were cops, and he was arrested for assault or whatever. The white cops were allowed to aim weapons at minorities, but the minority man who aimed back, not to attack but merely to identify them, was subjected to state violence. I should point out; DO NOT USE YOUR WEAPON LIGHT LIKE THIS. One of the four basic rules of firearms is don't point your gun at anything you're not ready and willing to destroy. Weapon lights are for identifying targets, not general use. Carry a separate flashlight for general light purposes.