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Was she Lutheran? It is a belief that some Christians have, that afaik is associated most with Lutherans, that everyone goes to heaven now, since jesus has taken on all sin. (though, I think the general official Lutheran position is everyone who accepts christ goes to heaven, which imo is much funnier, since it says that jesus gets to go to heaven but not, say, the jews he killed).
Regardless, imo Christian afterlife beliefs are super fucked up, but that idea of universalism, that everyone goes to heaven, is the one that makes most sense to me. It always seems weird to me that people insist jesus is all about forgiveness, but also he will condemn for to eternal hellfire if you say he isn't real (or kiss boys or whatever else is in vogue to be considered sinful).
I don't think Christ canonically killed anyone, and God the Father is not the same as God the Son (though I will insist to my grave that the Trinity lacking the transitive property makes no sense)
Universalism makes sense to me too, and also I started to get the idea of purgatory--that especially evil people need to be purified before they can be in God's presence--and also annihilationism, that others are just completely gone if they choose to reject Christianity or suck too much for purgatory or whatever
It’s a fairly standard - though not consensus - view among white American Evangelicals that everyone who has never even heard about Jesus (think about say, an Aboriginal person living in present day Australia in 1000 CE) is condemned to an eternity in hell.
Oh for sure. I was raised with that nonsense. My first real cognitive dissonance experience for me was being like okay God is all-loving but didn't reveal himself to people in New Zealand in 400bce and they just get tortured? Then I learned about general revelation and how evangelicals rejected that to retain power, etc etc. very normal belief system
No, she wasn't Lutheran. I'm from the south, so she was probably some type of evangelical Baptist schism. There were so many different little splits of protestants in my hometown.
Not to mention that most Christians around where I'm from just go on vibes rather than specific theology. I didn't mean to specifically draw attention to my classmate's religion though. I just meant that she reminded me of this very vibes based thing Grimes has going. A very empty statement of empathy towards everyone without truly meaning it or knowing what they're saying.
Expressing universal empathy can be good though, it's good to recognize shared humanity. It falls apart when you're doing like Grimes and repeating Nazi ideology.