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Truly honest question here so I can understand you: who are you voting for then? Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him? What real alternative is there right now in 2024? Any situation where people are killing others like what's happening to Palestine is unacceptable absolutely and unconditionally. But does that mean we should welcome a regime that is going to do the same here to people like you and me on principle?
Basically, what are you planning to do? All I saw in this reply was "I'm not like you and you can't make me be like you." What are you planning to do to enact the change YOU want to see?
I'm not participating in this farce. I do other more productive things with my time.
You also speak as though there aren't already crimes against humanity that the government is currently committing. The justice system, education, prisons, healthcare, border etc are all cruel implementations of capitalism that target the poor and minorities. Claiming that Trump would target more people here is such a dumb argument. Yeah, we get it, those guys are shit and because of that I spend my time trying to help people who are in danger. Voting for Biden won't help that. Biden being in office has made the US more dangerous for my trans friends.
I do not deny the fact that the US is a cesspool of discrimination, hate, unfairness and inequality. I have never said that and would never. And I also am aware that a secret police stealing people on the middle of the night is not different from forcing people to attend anti-gay camp programs and that denying gender affirming care to trans people is inherently evil.
About orange man: I mean it's not an argument that he would target more people. It's a statement of fact. He has said so publicly using Nazi terminology.
What would make it safe for your gay, bi, trans friends, mine, my cousins and daughter or even myself? Give me something actionable and productive. That's the real struggle here. I think a lot of people are looking for something that can actually be done. Like real ways to change the country we live in.
I feel like all we have are bad choices. I know nothing about you as a person but I can say for myself, that life got a whole lot more complicated when I personally became responsible for children. Not only having to worry about the world they would grow up in but also the risks I can take to my own life to secure that future.
Dude, this is a really strange thought process, and I think you might want to interrogate it a little more.
I'm also a thirty something father of multiple children, and sure it's a big responsibility. I also understand your points about risk mitigation. I often joke myself that I used to be a communist but since having kids I'm a liberal, because I find I have far less time for meaningful praxis, and I keep my head lower.
However, it comes off like you're presenting yourself with some binary of I must choose to tacitly support a genocide against brown people because I have kids and gay friends.
That's such a strange calculus. You're imaging a scenario where your life here in the empire are as bad as the life we're imposing on the third world, and you're justifying that world order through this imagined scenario.
Note that I don't care who you or anyone else votes for. I'm only speaking about this rationale.
If you're not doing this, and just looking for more meaningful actions to take, I apologize, and there are hopefully resources people here could point you to.